Hampton: “Frankly – I think the students deserve a rebate on their fees.”

 
QUEEN’S PARK BUREAU

 

Back to work legislation was introduced this afternoon to end the 81-day-long York University strike as hundreds of protesters rallied outside on the steps of Queen’s Park.

As expected, the New Democratic Party delayed proceedings by refusing to give unanimous consent to the legislation. The delay most likely means students will not be in the classroom until early next week.

The act to resolve the labour dispute between York and the Canadian Union of Public Employees was read in the legislature shortly after 1 p.m. by MPP Peter Fonseca.

The move was met by both clapping and booing.

Every Liberal and Conservative, 65 MPPs, voted for the legislation. All eight present New Democratic members opposed it.

“This is truly a regrettable move,” said NDP MPP Peter Kormos of the back-to-work bill.

“Where is the fairness when senior university administrators make $500,000 in salary and benefits?”

York University is in the driver seat here, said NDP leader Howard Hampton. “Frankly – I think the students deserve a rebate on their fees.”

York needs to go back to the bargaining table, he said, so students can go back tomorrow. “It is wrong for us to legislate workers back to work.”

Outside the Legislature, Progressive Conservative Leader John Tory called on Hampton to end the NDP opposition to the bill immediately so students could get back to school.

“I only hope, now that he has delayed things one day, he decides tomorrow will be enough,” Tory said.

Tory said he does not oppose some sort of compensation for lost fees. “I think the government should think about providing some help to these students because this is not any fault of theirs.”

 

 

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  1. A to the B

    I sent a email to my MPP. Yes the strike has gone on long enough but the damage is done. Might as well negotiate and respect the bargaining process rather then CUPE demanding the same thing 2 or 3 years from now and were all in the mess once again. Im in my first year and i care more for my later year grades then my first year for those will be the most important for grad schools. Also, BTWL totally just made this strike worthless.

  2. B

    “Where is the fairness when senior university administrators make $500,000 in salary and benefits?”

    …well, you do take over 50% of that and use it to fund health care, education and a variety of other social services.

    “Frankly – I think the students deserve a rebate on their fees.”

    How about letting us get on with our education? Getting degrees and moving up the income earning potential bracket? We deserve a choice in this matter. A voice as well.

  3. CUPE greed fail

    Refunding tuition and canceling the year would make my time and effort worthless.

    The ridiculous demands that could not conceivably be met made the strike worthless.

    BTWL is the only way to ensure that we get back to class in a timely fashion (81days and were at square one).
    It also ensures that both parties receive a fair contract aligning faculty with wages and security with provincial norms (why should they be paid more than TAs at any universities?)

  4. CUPE greed fail

    last comment was @ A to the B

    Please take the time to think of the implications before you proceed with such actions.

    If you think that receiving a refund and canceling the year is a solution, take the matter into your own hands and drop out; but, do not speak for 49,999 other students as well.

  5. last resort

    btwl was used as a last resort

    enough time ws allotted for negotiations to take place. Sadly, the two parties are still greatly divided. To avoid further worsening the situtation for the students, BTWL is the only option open to end this strike, before this year is terminated.

  6. Rob

    Im with Hampton!

  7. digging

    CUPE and York should avoid digging themselves a deeper hole. Bargaining proved to be ineffective, and for the sake of the students. which they have stated was their paramount concern, allow BTWL.

  8. Back to Learning!

    @ CUPE greed fail
    I agree whole heartedly. I cannot afford to scrap this year and restart in September.

    @ A to the B
    Just transfer out of York then if you don’t have anything invested in it. I have put in 2 years (and was starting on my third)– I’m locked in and just want out asap!

  9. Student with fears

    I SENT to my mpp. I hope he (together with many) ends this strike.

  10. Thinkritically

    I’m a fourth year student, set to graduate this year and yet, I support CUPE.

    I hate the fact that we’re out of school just as much as the next person, but the blame in this case falls mostly on York’s shoulders. When it failed to negotiate and used outside tactics to undermine the bargaining process (and PROLONG the strike) – then it was York who failed the workers, the students and themselves as an institution.

  11. Ms Doan

    Can someone summarize what position that we student are in right now? what we should expect in couple days ?

    Thank you.

  12. tester

    Ms Doan: we are still on standby, but we know the government is going to save the day, since CUPE and York failed at negotiating.

  13. CUPE greed fail

    @thinkritically

    Its ironic that you missed a ‘c’ in your name. lol.

    When a union presents a set of demands so unreasonable to the admin, how are you supposed to respond?
    When the last offer was presented to CUPE (which was more than fair mind you), CUPE didn’t even bother to present with a counter-offer. This was because at that time they thought McGuinty would not use BTWL. Notice as soon as BTWL became a threat how soon they reduced their demands?
    BTWL will guarantee that the union will receive a compensation package aligned with provincial norms (they way it should be).

    The bargaining tactics used by CUPE in their ‘negotiating’ process is similar to offering $5.99 for something with a $99.99 price tag on it. Totally unreasonable.

    BTW I am also a 4th yr student, and simply cannot see any other solution to the strike (81days got us nowhere).

  14. Student with fears

    @ thinkritically

    I agree partially with what your statement. But there are a few things I want to add:

    1) I dont support CUPE – because they concern was never to strike for what they think “improve education” . With so many demands and abstraction in the bargaining table, they clearly offered their view, which is extremely ideological. Many times claiming that this strike will only end when they decide. Or when they will be happy. Or when the neoliberal Universities will open their eyes.

    2) Why should we fear an ideology? Well, when these group of ideas move around to our consciousness forming opinions and beliefs blindly. The strike suddenly shifted from a labor issue to an ideology .. the union should win! The union and everything that solely represents it. The reason and good faith were already lost then. The strike until we’re happy stopped being a right and became a privilege!

    Union failed for its purposes were never never a shared one. Was solely the union .. for the union .. to the union!

    How about York ? I am not going even to discuss its political affairs. York is completely the worse example of leadership and good faith that I’ve ever seen.

  15. Student with fears

    Sorry for the few grammar mistakes. I’m writing quite fast.

  16. fuck the year

    we should, at the very least, be given a choice whether or not to carry on with the year. Carrying on would mean partial refund, and resuming next year would mean complete refund. It is the only fair thing considering it is our money and time. Whoever wants to carry on, do it. I know I do not want to be involved in such a write off year. now for the money part – how can I get it all back?

    Cheers.

  17. Student with fears

    Let’s be frank , the strike will never end.
    York is stubborn
    Union is obsessively concerned with their private interests

    Students? No one really care about what we think, how we feel and what we want …

  18. socialliability

    I can honestly say I am not happy with this move. What this does is just delay things. I am sure that CUPE will legally challenge the validity of this BTWL and most likely win. By then, maybe we will be done our fall term (which we are being forced to rush through) just in time for CUPE to resume the strike and waste some more of our time.

    I’m sure York has some lawyers that know this will not stand, and are probably trying to lessen their monetary damage by having us at least complete our Fall term courses. I am not a CUPE supporter, I have a mouthful to say about them as well. However, right now I see York as one of our biggest enemies.

  19. YORK LOVER

    @Rob

    “Im with Hampton!”
    HELL yes!!! ME 2

  20. YORK LOVER

    Lets cancel the yr!

  21. YORK LOVER

    screw all this crap

  22. Hostage

    YFS is organizing a petition for students to receive 12% of our tution back. The number comes from the fact that we paid for 26 weeks and are only recieving a max 23 of instruction so please everyone sign the petition, you can find it on the YFS website.

  23. Good precedent

    I wholly agree with BTWL, we MUST set a precedent to allow government intervention when Unions demand the impossible.

    Cupe what is so wrong with binding arbitration? A third party authoritative judgement is what this situation needs, and will ensure fairness…

    @ fuck the year.
    Its simple, if you do not want to continue, drop all your W classes and get your refund.

  24. York Student

    I truly believe WE should strike.

    Im tired of this game …
    CUPE-YORK
    YORK-CUPE
    CUPE-YORK-PARLIAMENT
    PARLIAMENT – YORK
    PARLIAMENT – CUPE
    CUPE-YORK-PARLIAMENT –

  25. @ Hampton

    “Where is the fairness when senior university administrators make $500,000 in salary and benefits?”

    TAs don’t work the same hours.

    So divide an admin’s hours by at least six, and they’ll be on par. Compare apples and apples.

    $83,000 for a senior administrator, vs $20,000 for a student TA.

    That seems pretty fair to me. In fact, that’s a tiny gap as far as the divide between worker and senior staff goes.

    In terms of a fair comparison (based on the hours worked), a senior admin at York is making 4 times what a student TA makes. If anyone thinks that is unfair, they’re rudely unprepaired for the real world – where senior staff make 20x, 50x, even 100x the money their “workers” do. That’s not to say that the real world has it right, but a 4x multiplier is pretty darn fair given the different in job description.

    TA’s should get free tuition – and that’s it. No pay. It’s a resume builder. They’re not valuable enough to warrant pay.

  26. Mark E. Smith

    That picture of howard hampton looks like a cooked ham, what a c*nt

  27. Schulicher

    So York classes are officially resuming? We just don’t know exactly when?

    So the strike is over?

  28. Mike Oxbig

    @hostage

    technically we should get back tuition fees…

    we pay for a service…and we shouldn’t pay for something we never received…

    they should make tuition fees a bi-weekly payment

  29. MR Two

    I’m not calling it over until I’m sitting in a lecture hall. I refuse to get my hopes up at this point, no matter how good the chances are.

  30. Bob Sternman

    TA salaries is NOT the BIGGEST ISSUE!

    I think it is the job security for CONTRACT FACULTY and the 3 YEAR CONTRACT.

    Everyone, always gets attached to issues of pay and salary when it comes to such issues. Money seems to be blinding the logic and thinking of many. After all, money is the root of all evil.

    Whenever, CUPE makes a statement they RARELY to NEVER talk about TAs salaries (…at least anymore). They realize they have bigger fish to fry.

  31. lets be realistic

    i think we have a fairly good chance of partically getting our money back. with the Ndp’s on our side i feel that as a large if we fight it, something can be done.
    Clearly two weeks is not enough to make up for the month lost.. here’s my question to everyone, do you guys even remember everything you’ve leartn. personally i don’t just to get back into school mode and geting everything organized with assignments will take students 2 weeks let alone. and then we go straight into exams. now the selfishness of others has caused us to suffer

  32. AndrewB

    Can you blame York though for not wanting to go back to the table and basically saying “screw it, let the government handle it?” Cupe has not been at the table in good faith for months now, and they don’t want to work out a deal, they want York to give in to every single one of their demands.

    The first month, CUPE wanted 41%
    The second monday, CUPE wanted 28%
    Third month, Cupe wanted 18%

    Three months to get down to something a little more reasonable. Yet they claim York has been doing this without “good faith”.

  33. To HELL with YORK

    @ Schulicher

    Yes, the strike is basically over. We just have to wait for the bill to be debated on and then passed due to the NDP not agreeing with the other parties. The bill most likely will be passed later on this week and we’ll be in class most likely next monday(Feb 2nd) unless CUPE and NDP somehow pull something unprecedented that will cancel the bill which i very much doubt.

  34. 1styear@york

    I definitely don’t remember the things that I had learned prior to the strike. I am not good at self teaching, and actually, when I went to get some help during the beginning of the strike, the assignment help people told me to come after the strike is over for their assistance in understanding. Nice, huh?

  35. Charlie

    TA’s should receive no pay. It’s a resume builder. They’re not valuable enough to warrant pay.

  36. Jean

    Just emailed my MPP to support negotiations and stop BTWL. I am and undergrad but support democracy. Damage is already done.

  37. haha here we go again..

    So is the strike over yet? And when can expect classes to resume again? Whats back to work legislation?…….

  38. juliette

    I’m with hampton as well.

  39. Bob Sternman

    The idea of fee refun is actually a good one. If there are enough people, it might work.

    Anyone supporting it?

  40. Hassan Kachal

    Sorry what is the MMP? Is it the next step after BELT?

  41. Int'l

    This has gone on for way too long now. It has been tremendously difficult on every student I am sure but I can’t help but express my feelings of anger from the perspective of an international student.
    The time I have invested, the money my parents have invested in sending me to university in a foreign country is outstanding and I know I am no where near the only one. I speak for the international students with whom I empathise with. Some of us are literally sitting up here in toronto waiting for things to get figured out when we could be at home working, earning money to pay the huge international costs. Especially because we dont live at home with ‘mommy and daddy’. The cost of living in toronto is by far more than living in my home.
    Some tickets happen to be non-refundable and therefore I returned back to toronto from my vacation where I was happy working and doing some school work to keep up with my studies in preparation for the strike to end.
    Frankly, I think all the international students of York Uni should get together, and threaten to DROP OUT and see what happens then! We should pack-up our things and throw our money into another academic institution where the threat of a strike is not always going to rest on our sholders if this BTWL passes.

  42. alee

    I HEARD WE’D BE IN SCHOOL TILL JUNE 2ED.
    IS THAT TRUE?
    CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THAT THATS A LIE?????

  43. lets be realistic

    i get the feeling that cupe with side with the Ndp’s and drag this strike for another week to two weeks!
    they all showed up to Queens park, so don’t get your hopes too high everyone!!!
    just be prepared in case we go back or incase we don’t

  44. Ordinary Joe

    @ lets be realistic

    agreed. I just have a feeling that there will be some surprises.

  45. lets be realistic

    i feel that the government and media is doing all this to shut people up for the time being, they have nothing better to talk about at the moment! the Obama hype is gone we hardly ever heard of York during that time period and now all of a sudden we’ve gotten soo much press coverage

  46. tester

    the NDP does not care about students.

  47. AndrewB

    I got to laugh at the people who want this BTWL to no go through because they want them to go back to the table. It was been 12 weeks and they are still completely far apart and a deal will not be reached for most likely another month at least. People are already upset about missing a month of summer work, I can’t imagine what would happen if this want for another month and they lost 2 months of summer work.

    The bargaining process works when both sides are willing to compromise and be fair. But after months on this, it is time to end.

  48. To HELL with YORK

    CUPE can scream and complain all they want but they cant stop the Liberals and Conservatives, only delay them. Very likely we will be back in class next monday which is Feb 2nd. Once again, CUPE and NDP cannot do anything to stop the bill, they can only delay it by a few days.

  49. Kiara

    I will NEVER vote NDP again!

  50. The strike is over

    The strike is over.

    It is only a matter of two weeks maximum before we head back to school

  51. To HELL with YORK

    @ Alee

    Yes, we will very likely be in school up to Jun 2nd if York hopes to finish the Fall and Winter semesters in an appropriate time that doesnt hurt the integrity of the courses.

  52. ram

    But the union has already come down terribly almost making the strike demands meaning less. (their last counter offer was the lowest ever). Still the university was quite strong to its offer and did not move. Actually there is one important point.
    York is setting up a trend in which more and more faculty can be replaced by contract faculty. Most of the contract faculty at york do not work else where bearing in mind their courses and the amount of prep work needed.
    In december 2008 alone york has had 100 full time profs retiring yet it has planned to hire only 2 full time profs. so this indicates their plans of depending more on contract faculty.
    When york becomes more and more dependent on them, they will definitely expect york to treat them well as they have power. This is just basic survival instincts. So if this is not settled properly now, york will not change its trend and will continue to face labor issues.

  53. Lola

    I recieved an interesting email from my college (winters) that contains suprisingly pessimistic ”

    “The Legislature meets this afternoon to be presented with a bill to end the strike by suspending job action and sending outstanding issues to binding arbitration. Since New Democrats will oppose unanimous reception of the bill, the debate will extend into the week before the bill is passed. Even then CUPE will ask for an injunction against implementation of the law until it has appealed the legality of the bill through the courts. If such an injunction were to be granted, the current disruption would extend indefinitely until resolved by courts in Ontario and eventually the Supreme Court. The issue for CUPE and probably New Democrats is important-
    does Parliament have power to interfere with strikes staged by non-essential workers?

    As of this moment nothing is as certain as it may appear. ”

    Will Cupe do this? and if so, how? What does this mean for the continuation of the strike? For how long could they drag this out further?

    Thoughts?

  54. Lola

    surprisingly pessimistic sentiments*

  55. Int'l

    International Students should pack-up and LEAVE if this doesnt get sorted withing the next few days! We want our money back…well I do.

  56. ..

    so what exactly is going on. can somebody please summarize? and what are your thoughts on the upcoming events?

  57. TRUTH

    Che
    “If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine”

    Fidel Castro
    “I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating… because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition”

    Comrades, lets fight this hideous legislation and defeat these ruthless capitalist monsters. They are scared of their humiliating defeat in the “force ratification” and ultra right wing media along with the government is giving them a hand now. We shall not stop till victory. If they think they can break through our strong lines of solidarity like that, they are seriously mistaken. I have a message for them, I tell them to wake up and see the Truth. Join this revolution and be good to your people or you shall be feeling the wrath of TAs and students leaving your capitalist University. TAs and students are what made York a good university; them leaving will leave you with nothing. Students have spoken, they don’t want BTWL and they are firmly standing behind CUPE!

    Viva la Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  58. Kiara

    The only reason the NDP voted “NO” to the bill which would see students back in school this week is to score political points with their union supporters. AS WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR, this strike is not about the students, but it is about self-interest.

  59. Ordinary Joe

    @ Lola

    Well, the more I read, the more I feel this strike will continue.

  60. I...

    I just e-mailed all the NDPs in the Ontario legislature. Here is the list:

    gbisson@ndp.on.ca, dinovoc-qp@ndp.on.ca, fgelinas-qp@ndp.on.ca, hhampton-qp@ndp.on.ca, ahorwath-qp@ndp.on.ca, rmarchese-co@ndp.on.ca, pmiller-qp@ndp.on.ca, mprue-co@ndp.on.ca, tabunsp-co@ndp.on.ca

    They didn’t all vote no, but it doesn’t hurt.

    E-mail them and let them know how you feel! This is your chance to be heard!

  61. that clears that up

    @ Lola:

    Thanks a lot for the info. Would you mind telling us who sent that e-mail from Winters College? (Was it the Master, a student, …)

    @ Everyone:

    Does anyone (especially those on the inside) know if CUPE is seriously considering further protracting this strike via the injunction, based on Lola’s info above?

  62. Commuter

    @ I…

    Not all of them were present today. All of them that were present voted “no”.

  63. Commuter

    @ I…

    Not all of them were present today. All of them that were present voted “no”.

    A lot of others were absent too… normally the Liberals + Conservatives have a total of about 90 or so seats combined… there were only 68 “ayes”.

  64. To HELL with YORK

    I dont know how this strike will continue into next week. From what i heard, if CUPE decides to take the BTWL bill against them to court, yes it will take a long time to process their law case through court but while they wait, they will still have to go back to work and continue to work and wait until the court comes to a conclusion. Im no law student but this is what i heard from the news. I dont see this strike extending into next week.

  65. @ To HELL with YORK

    thats what i heard as well

  66. I say

    .. expect to return to class the week of feb 2nd

  67. ram

    But, today tyler shipley sounded like the union will instruct the members to go back to work if this passes.
    I do not know how sure the union is, even though there does exist a possibility for fighting against this at the court.
    May be we will know for sure in a couple of days

  68. Commuter

    @ To HELL with YORK

    You mean “next week” as the week of the 2nd, correct?

  69. York

    @ To HELL with YORK:

    Yep, if this thing goes to court, I believe even Tyler Shipley said they would have to go back to class and they wouldn’t do anything illegal like a wildcat strike.

    But according to the e-mail posted by Lola: “Even then CUPE will ask for an injunction against implementation of the law until it has appealed the legality of the bill through the courts. If such an injunction were to be granted, the current disruption would extend indefinitely until resolved by courts in Ontario and eventually the Supreme Court.”

    Is an injunction something CUPE is actively pursuing?

  70. Ms. Golightly

    @ that clears that up

    It was sent to me officially from winters but i don’t know who specifically who it is from it just say’s “winters college” so i’m assuming it’s an official representative of the college. it’s where i receive my updates about the strike and i assume they are the official opinion of the college. I’ve been receiving them since the beginning of the strike as i assume all people from winters are.

    oh, here is a link to it…from the winters site i found
    http://www.yorku.ca/pswarney/Winters/

  71. Lola

    The above message was from me (Lola)! oooooops! wrong name!

  72. socialliability

    Has anyone else thought of the ramifications of having a pissed-off TA back to work marking your essays/tests?

  73. CUPE member with child

    Yes, we have some plans and expect to get some results they favor resuming the negotiations.

    We will post them on CUPE’s officla website soon.

  74. nope

    If I were a TA ..i would be the one worrying about how I would face my students when I get back.

  75. Georgia

    @ socialliability

    I don’t know what it is but TAs have the power.

  76. tropical sunshine

    I received a message from YFS predicting that we could possibly be back to school by Thursday. Clearly they don’t share the same sentiments as Winters College but then again, they have always been a full step behind the whole strike….

  77. that clears that up

    thanks lola and tropical sunshine

    @ Cupe member with child:

    Sorry, were you referring to the injunction? Could you please clarify?

  78. @CUPE member with child

    So CUPE intends to prolong the strike?

  79. TRUTH

    Let me say it loud and clear, CUPE intends to WIN. It was the plan from day one and it will not change despite all the rocks that are being thrown at us by capitalist tools and their right wing friends. We will prevail and we will. Nothing, I repeat nothing will stop this massive movement!

    We are here to WIN

    Demand the Impossible

    Viva la Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  80. nameless

    go fuck yourself Truth and suck some cupe cock

  81. Ms Doan

    @ Int’l

    i cannot disagree w/ you. hope our parents are doing well n wait till we can pay them back with a sucessful future.

  82. YORK LOVER

    @ CUPE member with child

    So in case the York doesnt negotiate, will cupe prolong the strike for more than 2 weeks ?

  83. YORK LOVER

    @CUPE member with child

    Can CUPE & NDP side together n stop this BTWL, n prolong the strike!?

  84. YORK LOVER

    @CUPE member with child

    Is it possible that CUPE can refuse to give in to BTWL !!?

  85. YORK LOVER

    @ CUPE member with child

    How sure are u about this strike going past the Feb. 2nd week 😀 ?

  86. ram

    @ all
    please do not get carried away by such fake people. I highly doubt it is the original “CUPE member with child”.
    But if it were original, Then i am happy that york is willing to restart negotiations.

  87. Here

    Can someone explain to me why York would return to the negotiating table? They have nothing to gain. The only non-plausible scenario I can see is if 3903 went “cap in hand”. Baring that, why?

    In my opinion, an injunction is not likely to be granted given that a respected mediator has said that it’s a stalemate and a negotiated settlement is very unlikely. That’s one of SCC’s criteria. But that’s only my speculation.

  88. YORK LOVER

    @ CUPE member with child

    By the way, I support u guyz BIGGGGGGGG BIGGG BIGGG time and I already called 6 of my friends ,along with myself, to send the pre-wrtitten e-mail to our MPP 😀

  89. MR Two

    I think everyone needs to stop speculating, sit back and watch how things play out over the next couple of days. If CUPE has a plan, doubtful they’re going to announce it so publicly yet, they’ll announce it on the eve of when they’ll implement it, giving the opposition minimal time to prepare. Just continue on with your life and be ready to go back.

  90. YORK LOVER

    @ CUPE member with child

    Can cupe carry one this strike by their Injunctions 😀 ?
    fingers crossed guyz !!!

  91. Student

    CUPE needs to realize that they lost…. These greedy bastards don’t deserve shit…

  92. @ Here

    But that’s the thing … According to CUPE, York hasn’t been at the negotiating table (at least not in good faith). CUPE’s stressing that York has only come to talk for 11 days during this 81 day strike, and York did not even want to hear CUPE’s latest counteroffer.

    And the e-mail from Winter’s College came from Paul Swarney, who’s a Senior Scholar at the university (so he’s retired, but teaching/researching/advising, me thinks). Not sure what his impetus was for suggesting that CUPE would seek (and would be granted) an injunction… but perhaps he’s been at York long enough to know …?

  93. Wiz

    Strike again and run away with me on a rollercoaster ride
    Strike again and see your wildest dreams slowly come alive
    Strike again and gotta break the rules and party all the time
    Strike again we gotta steal the show you know that ain’t no crime
    So steal all that you can
    The magic you begun
    Let’s shout, break out
    Come on once again lets hear it
    STRIKE!

    Strike again and feel the beat of the rhythm of the night
    Strike again and hear the voices calling creatures of the night
    Strike again and see the shadows dancing in the pale moonlight
    Strike again and feel your heartbeat pumping now the time is right
    So go walk out the door
    Get down….get on the floor
    Let’s shout break out
    Come on once again lets hear it
    STRIKE!

    And when strike comes your way
    You’ll know its here to stay
    You’ll steal the chance ‘ cose
    You’re the thief of rights
    You’ll win with a glance
    And walk away with your fights
    There’s no more there’s no backing out now

    Strike again and make the whole world crazy set your spirit free
    Strike again and take a break right now come celebrate with me
    Strike again ‘ cos all I wanna do is steal the show some how
    Strike again ‘ cos all I wanna say is hey the time is now
    Let nothing get you down
    Go out and paint the town
    Let’s shout break out
    Come on once again lets hear it
    STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!

    ___Rights are reserved___

  94. ram

    Dear fellow students,

    As you most likely know by now, Premier McGuinty’s attempt to pass
    back-to-work legislation will probably fail today because the NDP is
    against the bill. The Ontario Legislature will therefore go through
    the normal steps of passing the bill which means going through first
    hearing, second hearing, and royal assent.

    Today a communication will be released from the Senate Executive very
    soon outlining how classes will resume in regards to the Ontario
    Legislature passing back-to-work legislation after receiving “royal
    assent”. Here are the official models being proposed by the University:

    Date of Royal Assent Return to Class

    Monday, January 26 Wednesday, January 28
    Tuesday, January 27 Thursday, January 29
    Wednesday, January 28 Friday, January 30
    Thursday, January 29 Monday, February 2
    Friday, January 30 Monday, February 2

    However, members of the Senior Administration believe that there is no
    way the government will allow the strike to go beyond next week.
    According to one senior Administrator, Premier McGuinty is frustrated
    and the NDP will have not have the capacity to go against public
    opinion forever (“the NDP will be committing political suicide”).

    The senior Administration therefore believes that classes will resume
    this Thursday, January 29.

    As a result:

    The final date to drop your fall courses without receiving a grade
    will be Thursday, February 5.

    The end date for fall classes will be on Tuesday, February 17.

    And exams will start on Wednesday, February 18.

    If we are to use the estimated start date of Thursday January 29, the
    Winter term will begin on Tuesday, May 19.

    That is all the information I have thus far. If you have any questions
    or concerns, please feel free to contact me personally at
    647-448-0576. We are committed to getting you back into your
    classrooms, and we will do everything in our power to keep you
    informed during these difficult times.

    Yours sincerely,
    Krisna Saravanamuttu
    VP Equity YFS

  95. ZB

    i got an email from yfs saying that winter classes will begin on may 19th…i hope that’s a mistake.

  96. Here

    @ @Here: (that’s just odd):

    Let’s not talk about the past. Although I’ll could debate who’s actually negotiated in the real world. Going forward with BTWL in process, there is no point to York negotiating. They get everything they went in the legislation – binding arbitration.

    As for Swarney, I believe that is CUPE’s only option now. Get an injunction to prevent classes from restarting.

    For me speculation is fun and worthwhile. You can plan ahead and see what each side’s options are.

  97. Commuter

    @ ram

    The Toronto Star had a quote by Alex Bilyk saying that if the BTWL was resolved on Wednesday, they wouldn’t restart on Friday, but leave it to Monday, February 2nd.

    I love how the YFS comes out, hours after York’s PR person has made this comment, and says something contrary.

    Screw the YFS.

  98. ram

    Then let it be next wednesday, when the bill passes through.
    And we will be back on Feb 2.
    That seems like a good start with enough time for preparation.

  99. Wiz

    Strike again and run away with me on a rollercoaster ride
    Strike again and see your wildest dreams slowly come alive
    Strike again and gotta break the rules and party all the time
    Strike again we gotta steal the show you know that ain’t no crime
    So steal all that you can
    The magic you begun
    Let’s shout, break out
    Come on once again lets hear it
    STRIKE!

    Strike again and feel the beat of the rhythm of the night
    Strike again and hear the voices calling creatures of the night
    Strike again and see the shadows dancing in the pale moonlight
    Strike again and feel your heartbeat pumping now the time is right
    So go walk out the door
    Get down….get on the floor
    Let’s shout break out
    Come on once again lets hear it
    STRIKE!

    And when strike comes your way
    You’ll know its here to stay
    You’ll steal the chance ‘ cose
    You’re the thief of rights
    You’ll win with a glance
    And walk away with your fights
    There’s no more there’s no backing out now

    Strike again and make the whole world crazy set your spirit free
    Strike again and take a break right now come celebrate with me
    Strike again ‘ cos all I wanna do is steal the show some how
    Strike again ‘ cos all I wanna say is hey the time is now
    Let nothing get you down
    Go out and paint the town
    Let’s shout break out
    Come on once again lets hear it
    STRIKE! STRIKE! STRIKE!
    ___Rights are reserved___

  100. Student Victim

    The NDP has to remember that a lot of its voters are YOUNG people.
    Where they seek to win over the union, they are hurting and angering 50 000 (mostly) young people.

  101. Int'l

    I will wait a few more days for this to be resolved, otherwise, I need York to reimburse my tuition for the year and will look into transferring. I can not afford to wait around much longer.
    At the moment, it doesnt seem like anyone really KNOWS anything so let’s try to relax. (if I only took my own advice…)
    If this is not resolved soon and all we keep hearing are PLANS to restart and PLANS to negotiate etc we should take this as a whole load of nonsense! Perhaps it’s a tactic to front like we are getting somewhere and soon.
    I want to attend a university where I feel appreciated and comfortable about the high international fees I am putting into it for my eductaion!

  102. @ Commuter

    Yeah, I read the same thing as well in the Star. But he did say today on CP24 that it would be along the lines of what the YFS said, in ram’s post.

    http://www.yorku.ca/ylife/index.asp?Article=968

  103. Here

    @ Int’l:

    I can appreciate how hard it is for you not knowing. They can’t confirm to dates just yet until the legislation receives royal assent.

    For myself, I can handle the speculation as I said above. My easy going nature perhaps.

  104. CUPE member with child

    The post above was not from me, but someone else using the same name as me.

    Andrew, what’s your charity again? I’ll wait until the 14 days pass, but it looks inevitable.

  105. Int'l

    @ Here

    Thank you but it takes all your energy to try to keep calm when all this money is going down the drain. I can feel the whole in my pocket as well as my parents!
    Things would most certainly be easier once I hear some dates.
    There is no telling when the bill will pass is there?
    I am feeling a tremendous amount of instability as I am sure many are.

  106. ram

    @ Original CUPE member with child
    What has the union planned? has it decided to oppose the BTWL? Because looking at things, I am sure the bill will get passed.
    So do you think any surprise is waiting for the students?
    Please, Do not impersonate like cupe mwc.

  107. Here

    @ Int’l:

    No I cannot give you a definite date. That can only happen once the bill is passed into law. Everyone’s best guess is Feb 2. I’d guess that’s about 90-95% certain.

    The only advice I can offer that in the end, you’re only losing 3 classes from the total. Although as a international student that 3 classes is more than a Ontario student.

    I imagine that you are here on a student visa. Hopefully, Immigration Canada will make contingencies if the visa expires before the end of classes.

    My other piece of advice? Breathe! 🙂

  108. CUPE member with child

    @ram,

    Picket lines are planned to continue until we are ligislated back. I imagine there’ll be a legal challenge but it could take years, in the mean time we will be forced to work.

    I’ve started looking for a different job. I’ve not been able to afford to work for York. Whether anyone agrees with the union’s demands or not, taking away someone right to voluntarily enter into contract is nothing short of slavery. I’m currently looking into whether or not I’m obliged to finish the year or whether I’ll be fined $2000 per year if I quit.

  109. CUPE member with child

    sorry, that’s $2000 per day.

  110. Rob

    The York Senate just released something about that when we would be going back;

    Date of royal assent Date students return
    Monday, Jan. 26 Wednesday, Jan. 28
    Tuesday, Jan. 27 Thursday, Jan. 29
    Wednesday, Jan. 28 Friday, Jan. 30
    Thursday, Jan. 29 Monday, Feb. 2
    Friday, Jan. 30 Monday, Feb. 2
    Saturday, Jan. 31 Monday, Feb. 2

    Royal assent is basically when the bill is signed into law. I doubt that the NDP will be able to hold out until Thursday.

  111. Int'l

    @Here
    Thanks…but I hope we hear some dates before Feb 2nd!!!! 🙂

  112. Joe

    Contrary to what many people have heard, classes will not commence the week of Feb. 2 if the bill passes this tuesday, classes will start this thursday. Sorry.

  113. Basil El-Salviti

    instead of asking for a refund, it would be much better if the prof could mark us easier on our assignments and exams

  114. tester

    CUPE member with child said: “Whether anyone agrees with the union’s demands or not, taking away someone right to voluntarily enter into contract is nothing short of slavery.”

    In an industrial environment, yes, you have a point. But at a university, one where the government puts money into, you truly cannot be surprised when the government protects its money (and students) by ending the deadlock. It is not slavery, it is intervention.

    What is truly funny is that the reduction in enrollment will reduce the teaching positions available. At that doesn’t even account for students who transfer out. Karma!

    But you seem to have a head start since you are job searching. Then you’ll appreciate what you had at York.

  115. @Basil El-Salviti: “instead of asking for a refund, it would be much better if the prof could mark us easier on our assignments and exams”

    This is just hearsay. Also keep in mind — I only personally talked to 3903s who’ve been opposed to this strike from the start. Within those qualified parameters, though — everyone I’ve spoken to feels the same way. This year, students would have to work much harder to fail than to pass.

  116. Zain

    How can we subscribe to the YFS mailing list? ermm probably stupid question but i am a first year student *-)

  117. Atkinson student

    Oh it’s starting. I was unable to take the midterm for one of my ADMS courses which now results in my final exam being worth 80%. Happy days are here again.

  118. Rob

    Just emailed my MPP to support negotiations and stop BTWL. I am and undergrad but support democracy. Damage is already done.

  119. Rob

    I recieved an interesting email from my college (winters) that contains suprisingly pessimistic ”

    “The Legislature meets this afternoon to be presented with a bill to end the strike by suspending job action and sending outstanding issues to binding arbitration. Since New Democrats will oppose unanimous reception of the bill, the debate will extend into the week before the bill is passed. Even then CUPE will ask for an injunction against implementation of the law until it has appealed the legality of the bill through the courts. If such an injunction were to be granted, the current disruption would extend indefinitely until resolved by courts in Ontario and eventually the Supreme Court. The issue for CUPE and probably New Democrats is important-
    does Parliament have power to interfere with strikes staged by non-essential workers?

    As of this moment nothing is as certain as it may appear. ”

    Will Cupe do this? and if so, how? What does this mean for the continuation of the strike? For how long could they drag this out further?

    Thoughts?

  120. underhealingwaters

    @ CUPE Doll

    I never said that. I’ve had enough of that asshole always hacking into my account, so I’ve just used my old wordpress blog title to write on here.

    Those people using my name for whatever pleasure they seem to get out of it, I will surely ask the moderator to track the IP address.

    I would never ask the professors to mark us ‘easier’ on our assignments, that’s equivalent of just giving us our credits with absolutely no value attached to it. That isn’t fair to students, who want a quality education.

  121. HIYA

    I agree with Basil El-Salviti…

    The proffs and TA’s going easy on us will make this strike actually improve our marks than damage them. Id LOVE that.I know that its highly unlikely, but i wouldnt mind it, expecially since my brain wont be as concetrated and smart after almost 3 months off.

  122. CUPE member with child

    @tester,

    In any environment, when one is forced to work without having voluntarily entered into the contract, it is slave-labour. Nothing else.

    As for the enrollment “predicament”, it’s all smoke and mirrors. York is in the process of retiring 100 tenured faculty and replacing them with 2. The rest will all be contract faculty.

    Government is also working on increasing OSAP caps so that after the tuition freeze expires in 2010, you can all borrow more money from the profitable banks in order to get yourselves trained for the jobs that you’ll be “lucky” to have.

    So much for “progress”…

  123. ram

    @ cupe doll.
    This is so disheartening that 81 days of standing results in a failure. Does not cupe canada have the power to fight against it? What is sid ryan doing? Is he silent after releasing his article today morning?
    I know picket lines are planned to be held until this one passes.
    I am really surprised that the union has no power here to fight back immediately.
    So do you also feel that we could be back in class late this week or monday?
    Even though i am a student, i am still somewhat uneasy to accept the fact thet BTWL is gonna force them back to work.

  124. Hampton - Frankly? I think I want Union votes

    Nice ploy Hampton. Shaft the students, grab the union vote for your next election, and then use diversion by telling the student how much you support them, and think they need their money back.
    Hopefully everyone will see your self centered political interest, trying to hide it with this cover-up statement. I think everyone believes that the students deserves either their year completed , or get their money back. So drop the smoke screen.

    As even one of the CUPE profs said in one of these threads, this is about winning for the union, at the expense of both its members and the students. They have made an unrealistic set of demands for this economic climate, in order to gain power and look good. They have stated that they want to WIN at all cost.
    What they have done is ruined the year for 50,000 students; and passed over a reasonable offer relative to the others in this working world. Ironically what they get for their members will be less that what was offered to them by York; when BTWL finally does go through, and binding arbitration is invoked. They have also reduced future enrolement, which current application numbers are already showing; and in turn in a counter productive manner, reduced future jobs for their members. They have thus shafted both they people that they are suppose to represent, and the students.

    With their obsessive ideological rants, they are more focused on their political ideals, than they are their own members future. This not the first time that an external national subversive group, has infiltrated a counties economic heart and soul. If I was the government watch dog, I would be checking these guys our for covert operations.

  125. tester

    CMWC said:”In any environment, when one is forced to work without having voluntarily entered into the contract, it is slave-labour.”

    Regardless of your contract status, you took on a job the day you agreed to take on a class/tutorial. You could have not taken the job, but you did.

    CMWC said:”As for the enrollment “predicament”, it’s all smoke and mirrors. York is in the process of retiring 100 tenured faculty and replacing them with 2. The rest will all be contract faculty.”

    Why is that? is it a financial management strategy? they can’t be doing it just for fun.

    CMWC said: “Government is also working on increasing OSAP caps so that after the tuition freeze expires in 2010, you can all borrow more money from the profitable banks in order to get yourselves trained for the jobs that you’ll be “lucky” to have.”

    It is better to borrow than to be broke.

  126. me

    @ tester
    being forced to work anywhere when you choose not to and have no contract binding you to is indeed slavery, whatever sector you work in. the only other time we allow it is during times of war when we institute a draft, and when criminals are sentenced to work.

    however, cmwc can probably resign without penalty. in fact, i’m sure that’s what the admin is hoping a number of people will do to weaken the union.

  127. @HIYA: “The proffs and TA’s going easy on us will make this strike actually improve our marks than damage them. Id LOVE that.”

    Nobody will consciously decide to “go easy”. Not exactly. But with the way we 3903s ruined this year academically for students? There’s a lot of guilt.

    Some 3903s do take themselves seriously as “valued educators”. And when valued educators ruin students’ education? It’s not so different from when police turn to crime — or firefighters to arson. There’s going to be guilt.

    Of course, some 3903s will be very bitter. If you have to deal with one of those? Synchronize 3 students appealing the grading — and watch the results.

  128. underhealingwaters

    Just a technical question, cupedoll…..how on Earth do I attach an image to my screen name to avoid people pretending to be me?

  129. G

    I just got an email from YFS we will most likely return Jan 29 (thursday) if everything goes well and the winter term will start on May 19 (which I find odd doesn’t this sound too late to start winter?) Our exams start on February 18. Check your inbox you probably got an email as well.

  130. THIS is Basil, to anyone interested. I can’t tolerate people on here actually having taking these matters so lightly as to dress my name up and make a mockery of these times.

  131. @underhealingwaters: “ow on Earth do I attach an image to my screen name to avoid people pretending to be me?”

    You have an image — looks like the planet? If you’d like to change it, go to wordpress.com and upload a different image. It’s called a “gravatar” I think…

  132. CUPE member with child

    @tester,

    Tuition fees will rise in Sept. 2010 to correspond with higher OSAP caps. You’ll still be broke, you’ll just owe more money.

  133. @ cupedoll

    It seemed to take a little bit to update, but now it’s up. Thanks for your help though.

  134. G

    Also final day to drop a fall course without receiving a grade will be February 5.

  135. @ CMWC

    I don’t know if you previously answered this or not….but what’s the unions response to the BTW legislation? Will it be challenged in court?

    Basil El-Salviti

  136. Drop Date!

    Last day to drop a fall course without receiving a grade will be Feb 5.

  137. CUPE member with child

    @Basil,

    I haven’t heard any direct information on it, but I pressume that it will be challenged in court. Nonetheless that will likely take a long time and we’ll be forced to work in the meantime.

  138. B

    Another YFS FAIL:

    Dear fellow students,

    As you most likely know by now, Premier McGuinty’s attempt to pass
    back-to-work legislation will probably fail today because the NDP is
    against the bill. The Ontario Legislature will therefore go through
    the normal steps of passing the bill which means going through first
    hearing, second hearing, and royal assent.

    Today a communication will be released from the Senate Executive very
    soon outlining how classes will resume in regards to the Ontario
    Legislature passing back-to-work legislation after receiving “royal
    assent”. Here are the official models being proposed by the University:

    Date of Royal Assent Return to Class

    Monday, January 26 Wednesday, January 28
    Tuesday, January 27 Thursday, January 29
    Wednesday, January 28 Friday, January 30
    Thursday, January 29 Monday, February 2
    Friday, January 30 Monday, February 2

    However, members of the Senior Administration believe that there is no
    way the government will allow the strike to go beyond next week.
    According to one senior Administrator, Premier McGuinty is frustrated
    and the NDP will have not have the capacity to go against public
    opinion forever (“the NDP will be committing political suicide”).

    The senior Administration therefore believes that classes will resume
    this Thursday, January 29.

    As a result:

    The final date to drop your fall courses without receiving a grade
    will be Thursday, February 5.

    The end date for fall classes will be on Tuesday, February 17.

    And exams will start on Wednesday, February 18.

    If we are to use the estimated start date of Thursday January 29, the
    Winter term will begin on Tuesday, May 19.

    That is all the information I have thus far. If you have any questions
    or concerns, please feel free to contact me personally at
    647-448-0576. We are committed to getting you back into your
    classrooms, and we will do everything in our power to keep you
    informed during these difficult times.

    Yours sincerely,
    Krisna Saravanamuttu
    VP Equity YFS

  139. @ CMWC

    Thanks for the answer. See you soon, presumably!

    Basil El-Salviti

  140. @me “being forced to work anywhere when you choose not to and have no contract binding you to is indeed slavery…”

    Absolutely correct. Yet so irrelevant. Since nobody in 3903 will get forced to work without contract. Right? We are not in chains. We are not soviet abductees prostituting ourselves in a brothel. We can *always* quit.

    Here’s what’s funny, though. Absolute freedom of contract was a very 19th century ideal. And if anyone were to insist on that ideal nowadays? The person so insisting would have to be some kind of neo-liberal.

  141. caitron

    @ G
    i also got that e-mail and was like wtf? so i came on here to see what others had written. i can only assume they mean MARCH 19 if fall exams start feb 18. otherwise it makes no sense

  142. @ Caitron

    Agreed.

    -Basil El-Salviti

  143. caitron

    yfs needs a proof-reader! i’ve gotten so much misinformation from them!

  144. G

    @ caitron

    That makes more sense lol.

  145. B

    March 19th still doesn’t make sense when you consider exam period has been shortened to 12 days (includes weekends).

  146. caitron

    ya i know…. but it makes more sense than MAY!

  147. G

    @ B

    Yeah you’re right we should start the winter term sooner. Way to mess up the info again YFS!

  148. B

    Although, this inability to properly count may explain why Hamid Osman is prez…..

  149. Reasonable Person

    Poor, poor CMWC. I guess now that the tables has turned they’re going to bawl her eyes out over the unfair world.

    Welcome to the real world.

  150. Let's be realistic

    if the strike does take another 10-14 days to resume classes then how can the year continue on? because at this point we will be done mid june. I just don’t see the university pushing school far into summer because of students protesting. Many students need to work to earn money for school, there are international students, at what point does enough become enough to cancel a term or the year?

    I’m looking for some serious ideas or answers here.

  151. caitron

    you’d think it would be the beginning of march we start, b/c feb is a short month… like march 1st or something…. not MAY 19th!!

  152. caitron

    i mean when the winter term would start

  153. challenged in court

    Challenged in court or not. Students will be back into their classes the week of Feb. 2nd the latest. Long overdue.

    We all face hardships, and life is never fair.

    gg CMWC.

  154. @ Lets be realistic

    I don’t want to be presumptuous….but I have a feeling fourth year student’s DON’T want to be coming back here next year……..they’d rather be done with these disruptions, and continue onto the summer.

    It honestly is terrible for all the other students, but there is a wide majority of students who would rather see the year continue than to see it fade into September.

  155. relief

    i could only imagine how much this impacted the students, the int’l ones especially.

    It is about time to students get to return to their studies.

  156. Basil El-Salviti

    Also, do not try to mess with your TAs. They might be angry in the first few weeks.

  157. ram

    I am so doubtful about the start of the winter semester. Because, the condensed twelve day exam period will certainly help the admin to start the winter semester in the first week of march.
    Also, alex bilyk pointed out in today’s article that the winter semester would go till June 2.
    How is it possible to end the semester on june 2 if winter starts only on march 19?

  158. G

    @ underhealingwaters

    I agree I am one of those 4th year students who wants to graduate and move one with my life. I only have a few assignments left and I don’t want to do it all over again in september.

  159. glendon

    Many students will be angry as well. I doubt anybody will get back to school with joy and happiness.

    relief- yes.

  160. Digital Media Student

    I’m too lazy to actually read through the regulations stuff from the post above this…

    Apparently we can sue York to get our money back or something? I got no clue…if I should fill that form out, did anyone else look at it yet?

  161. caitron

    I am putting up a petition for new YFS elections. It’s absurd.

  162. “Basil El-Salviti
    January 25, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Also, do not try to mess with your TAs. They might be angry in the first few weeks.”

    As you all know, that isn’t me.

  163. CUPE

    Sorry to hear that the results did not turn out the way you wanted to Cupe Member With Child.

    Wish you Good Luck with your job search

  164. Let's be realistic

    @ glendon

    But they have the upper hand.

  165. B

    caitron – the people of yorknothostage.com were planning on circulating one. They need to collect 5,000 signatures for it.

  166. underhealingwaters

    The top “underhealingwaters” is not me.

  167. B

    Iam up for it. Anyone else?

  168. glendon

    hey, yeah i do know that they have the upper hand. But what can they do? Mark unfairly? If so, then it will be apparent and students can/will complain.

    Put less effort into their TA job? yeah they will but thats just the consequence of the strike not turning out the way they wanted to.

  169. Digital Media Student

    So anyone has a finalized date yet?

  170. @ All

    We can’t be too critical of some of these union members. They honestly believe that what they’re doing is right, and that’s a legitimate feeling for them to have. Their claims hold some merit – but enough is enough. Binding arbitration will resolve whatever issues are left to settle a full contract. The integrity of our academic year cannot be further compromised.

    -Basil El-Salviti

  171. glendon

    I think the week of feb2nd. no specific exact date
    but from all the sources i’ve read heard. its that week the latest

  172. @ Digital Media Student

    Wouldn’t be too sure of that. Wait to see how the readings proceed….the ‘debates’ on the BTWL could end tomorrow, which means sometime this week. We just don’t know at this point. But the latest date seems to be Feb.2.09.

    -Basil

  173. Let's be realistic

    @ digital media student

    we can sue york for our money back? never heard of this option…

  174. caitron

    hey, someone stole my name!
    i didn’t write that about yfs elections!!! stop stealing ppl’s names!!!!
    i had another thought about the may 19th date – could that be the END of the winter semester?

  175. yrk

    York is offering refunds for the few weeks of class that we will be missing apparently.

    As for suing York? haven’t heard about that.

  176. yrk

    poor phrasing// i just meant to say that i heard york will be offering partial refunds and not full refunds.

  177. yrk

    word of mouth.

  178. yrk

    but i highly doubt they will be offering full refunds. anyways tahts all.

  179. I don’t think that is the case, tbh, yrk.

    -Basil

  180. yrk

    k well , as a student – the more of the money i get back the better =]

  181. B

    Are you referring to the YFS 12% refund petition?

    Cause YFS = Fail.

  182. TRUTH

    This is not over. This line of solidarity will not be broken by this imperialist university and its ultra right wing friends. We shall defend till the last minute. As I say this is not over yet. CUPE is determined to go the distance and we are committed to win this strike. This capitalist monster will be defeated. CUPE and students have spoken clearly and they do not support BTWL. CUPE will stand strong

    Che
    “If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine”

    Fidel Castro
    “I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating… because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition”

    Demand the Impossible

    Viva la Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  183. yrk

    there was war, hyprocrisy and competition before capitalism.

  184. oma

    LMAOO truth is a one man army..

    maybe with cmwc tagging along as well/

  185. YORK LOVER

    @ TRUTH
    are u for real :O ???
    please tell me u just did not say that to get our hopes up 😦
    I’m soooo stressed !!

  186. Bob Sternman

    WTF man?

  187. YORK LOVER

    @ oma
    with counting u up his ass, it would add up to 3

  188. KH

    if the last day of fall exams is feb 17 (it sounds crazy as i type it :P) then why would we not be back in class FEB 18? every other semester we have a break between exams and the resumption of classes- now we’re obviously in a different situation so i really wouldn’t be surprised if we were expected back in class the day after exams ended as shitty as it is

  189. ram

    @ YORK LOVER
    I bet you that TRUTH is really not the word of truth. s/he is humbug, hoax. No body can do anything now as things have gone beyond control. Cupe can fight it in the court only after BTWL passes and will be at work mean while they fight. TRUTH is FAKE.
    I have been observing his/her comments right from the beginning. I seriously doubt s/he is even connected with york.
    the STRIKE IS OVER. WE WILL BE IN CLASS LATER NEXT WEEK OR FEB 2 FOR SURE.

  190. KH

    sorry i meant the 18th and 19th- but you get my point lol

  191. YORK LOVER

    😦 nooooooooooo
    i hate y truth 😦

  192. Bob Sternman

    Someone is using my name…

    STOP IT!

  193. ram

    After this is all said and done, I hope my TA gives me a blow job.

  194. caitron

    hey, just got another e-mail from YFS. there was “a slight typo” hahaha
    the winter term is set to start March 2nd.

  195. angrystudent

    lmao @ ram !

    What happens if the NDP votes down the BTWL all three times?

    Isn’t a 100% yes needed from all parties in order to pass this legislation??

    ARRRRRRRRRRGH.

  196. Ok, I’m going to wash some more dirty laundry in public here. 3903 is cracking up — and not in any good ways.

    “Of course, this disaster wasn’t the executive’s fault, it was the fault of the employer, the media, Alex Bilyk, the right wing social democrats in the union, our lawyer who is incompetent, CUPE National who are too conservative, the Premier, the Province, the Mediator, the undergraduates, “the state” “neoliberalism” “capitalism”, reverse vampires….anyone or anything but the executive and the play time revolutionaries who hang on to them.
    You know damn well that our lawyer advised us to make a deal Friday night because it would have improved over the BTWL deal. But you ignored it because you care more about the ‘revolutionary’ image than the real people in this union.
    Fact is, you and your buddies just cost all 3,400 of us a whole bundle of money, wasted time and anguish. You have damaged this local’s ability to
    negotiate down the road and you have cost CUPE the opportunity for coordinated bargaining in 2010. Our leadership just led this local to be the first university union ever legislated back to work. Can you even comprehend the damage that does to university unions? Do you know how bad you look right now?
    Don’t you ever think that you’re going to walk away from this disaster without it forever being attached to your name. If I were you, I would be pretty f****** contrite. I certainly wouldn’t be posting anything to any list-serv anywhere. You should have the integrity, maturity, and good sense to resign.
    (The exec should join you, excepting the people who have been doing their jobs – [nameless1], [nameless2] and, lately, [nameless3], along with the TFAC folks). In the mean time: just shut up.
    I’m not sorry if any of this offends you. It’s a little too late for hurt feelings now. If you don’t like it, well too bad.”

  197. YORK LOVER

    @ cupedoll

    yea I really wanna know it too!
    wut happens if NDP turns down the vote for the 3rd time as well???
    I know it might not happen, but wut if it DOES!!!???

  198. York Student

    Guys.

    Just wondering why we all dont go to march tomorrow. I think CUPE is more united and one step ahead of us. Maybe we should create more impact and go together to Queens park!!

  199. ram

    Who is that idiot that is impersonating me. Please would you guys not stop being childish and uncivilized. ?

  200. Come Join Us

    All members of CUPE 3903 are encouraged to attend a Town Hall meeting to understand, discuss and explore all our options.

    WHAT: Townhall Meeting

    WHEN: Monday, January 26: 6pm-9pm

    WHERE: Trinity St. Paul Church, 427 Bloor Street West

  201. And more dirty 3903 laundry for everyone to sniff at. In this case, the author says everything I’ve been. Saying. But s/he does so kind’a gently. So well put. Guess I could have been more gentle myself? Fnck that. I’m far too pissed at the 3903 ideologues.

    Anyhow — read what’s in and between the lines. It’ll tell you everything you need to know about my loco local.

    “Thanks for asking for clarification. Perhaps I myself am confused. Let me try to explain my thoughts and you can ask me to explain further if what I am saying is not clear or if you believe that what I am saying is not true.

    I do not know if our decision to strike on 5 November was right or wrong. A decision can be right but yield terrible results. This is what has happened in this strike. A decision can be wrong but yield very good results. I don’t want to judge the rightness or the wrongness of an action by looking at the results that have followed.

    I do think, however, that much of what has happened since we went on strike is wrong. The way in which the votes of the general membership were won has not always been honest. I think that people told lies knowingly. I think that
    figures were cooked up, that certain information was included and that certain information was excluded, and that the general membership was given only that body of information that was consistent with the position of the ones who had
    undue influence in the union. I think that one of the reasons that people told lies was because they did not believe that the membership would be persuaded to agree with them if they told the truth. I think that the membership needed to
    be persuaded because there is a false hierarchy in the union: those who know what is best for the general membership are distinguished from those who don’t know what is best for the general membership. As a result of telling lies, however, those who told these lies, or those who were complicit in telling these lies, ended up getting what they wanted (votes), in the short term, while
    also getting what they did not want – a membership that is now terribly mistrustful of them.

    The way in which votes were won was in my judgement in contradiction with the democratic principles of the union. There are many contradictions in the way the union is functioning, which is why, in my judgement, it is not becoming
    stronger but weaker. I have been utterly perplexed that the union has for the most part totally ignored the recession that is hitting every single corner of the world in determining the course of negotiations. How can this factor be
    irrelevant?

    So yes, it is heartening to see how incredibly powerful the membership can be in resisting the powers of the employer. But these powers have somewhere along the last three months taken on a life of their own. It is absurd how much money we have lost. We want to gain a $100,000 here and a $100,000 there, and we are spending millions and millions to do it. Is this reasonable? Further, the strike has become a battle between two enemies that have no common ground,
    resulting in a power-struggle that can end only with one side losing. So in order for us to win, the employer must lose. It is totally against our own
    interests to try to sully the reputation of York. I have never understood this. We have been complicit in creating this oppositional dynamic, and now we are defeated.

    The thing to do now, in my judgement, is to cut our losses as quickly as possible, to think long and hard about the way in which this strike was
    handled, and to make sure that we do not ever make the same mistakes again. I am not in favour of resisting back-to-work legislation. I am in favour of making some serious changes in the hierarchical and adversarial strategies,
    policies, and methods that has gotten us into the cobwebs from which I now want to extricate myself as soon as possible.”

    Ok — Cupe Doll again. The difference between the author and me? S/he wants our 3903 hides saved. Not me, though. I want us spanked & humiliated so bad that we’ll never dare harm students this way again. There must be some responsibility. If not sooner — then later. Like right now.

  202. Come Join Us

    Frankly that e-mail up above is way off base. This doesn’t do that much damage to university unions. Being headed by Sid Ryan did that all by itself. The irresponsible revolutionarism of the last 80-odd days was just confirmation.

  203. VICTORY

    Arise, you prisoners of starvation!
    Arise, you wretched of the earth!
    For justice thunders condemnation:
    A better world’s in birth!
    No more tradition’s chains shall bind us,
    Arise you slaves, no more in thrall!
    The earth shall rise on new foundations:
    We have been nought, we shall be all!
    ‘Tis the final conflict,
    Let each stand in his place.
    The international soviet
    Shall be the human race
    ‘Tis the final conflict,
    Let each stand in his place.
    The international working class
    Shall be the human race

    We want no condescending saviors
    To rule us from their judgment hall,
    We workers ask not for their favors
    Let us consult for all:
    To make the thief disgorge his booty
    To free the spirit from its cell,
    We must ourselves decide our duty,
    We must decide, and do it well.
    ‘Tis the final conflict,
    Let each stand in his place.
    The international soviet
    Shall be the human race
    ‘Tis the final conflict,
    Let each stand in his place.
    The international working class
    Shall be the human race

    No saviour from on high delivers,
    No faith have we in prince or peer.
    Our own right hand the chains must shiver,
    Chains of hatred, greed and fear.
    E’er the thieves will out with their booty,
    And to all give a happier lot.
    Each at his forge must do their duty,
    And we’ll strike the iron while it’s hot.
    So comrades, come rally,
    And the last fight let us face.
    The Internationale,
    Unites the human race.
    So comrades, come rally,
    And the last fight let us face.
    The Internationale,
    Unites the human race

    Solidarity Forever!

  204. Shannon

    i know that its been said that the drop date for the fall classes (without receiving a grade) is feb. 5th, but does any one know what the drop date is for the year long courses?

  205. TRUTH

    This is a video to boost moral and make us even stronger

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/592778/ussr_national_anthem/

    Solidarity Forever

    Viva la Revolution
    Go Cupe Go

  206. Hating Cupe

    damn, that cupedoll sound like a sell out. “i want us spanked & humiliated so bad that we’ll never dare harm students this way again.”…okay, a little too self-righteous, a little too sadist to my taste.

    i guess you would know ‘alot’ more about this strike because your in cupe. But just by reading this posting and other you have, not all, you always bash cupe for being too ideological. I always have a hard time when people say this….i say all of us are. we all follow some system of thought.

    Im not to sure where you stand with your ideology, but stop being so self-righteous and saying things like “we need a spanking..” okay, mayb your using a metaphor to say “we need to come to our senses.” But even then, coming to realize a sense is always a subjective matter.

  207. ram

    Okay, I take that back. The strike MAY or MAY NOT be over…

    I really hope they reconsidering cancelling the year…This is getting too frustrating!

  208. angrystudent

    yeah….this is a point seriously worth considering. Our degrees are going to be worth a lot less than those coming from U of T or Ryerson…………I mean, we have only had 2-3 months of ACTUAL school this year. Returning to York will mean condensed scheduals and a whole lot of stress. What I’m really wondering is why we’re paying 6000+ for only a few months of school?! We are entitled to services that we wont be receiving EVEN IF WE GO BACK.

  209. me

    cupedoll – is there a crack in the tinfoil? are the alien voices getting through again? be careful, they’re out to get you.

    you are such a wack-job, it’s hilarious.

  210. Aaron

    How is cupedoll a wack-job? Everything he/she has said has turned out to be true. This year really was looking to be lost until the gov’t finally stepped in.

  211. JessSane

    well – s/he was wrong about the whole silent majority thing, and the rat passing, and some other stuff…

  212. lala

    ok pple u have to realize that even if the strike is over this year..next year there will definitly be another strike especially considering the fact that the CUPE did not get what it wanted in the first place..next year it will probably be even worse..so my advice is for every1 to transfere to some other university that actually cares about its students

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