Opinion piece by Basil

Since November 6th, 2008, York has been effectively shut down. The campus, for those of you who’ve been there, is practically a ghost town. When you walk through the campus, it’s quite common that even your footsteps will echo inside buildings. It’s kind of strange, isn’t it?

We all know what got us to this point. All of us – including myself – began freaking out, and put pressure on one side over the other. Clearly, York had majority support; but, CUPE 3903, with whatever support they had, preservered with the biggest determination.

Last night, as many of you may know, I had reached my breaking point. To that regard, I even broke my position that CUPE Doll was just an e-picketer trying to scare students and prolong this strike. I went as far as suggesting to everyone that it’s by far the most important thing, at this point in time, to strike the strike.

Could still be a good idea, right? Here’s the catch – these ridiculous negotiations have been stalled long enough because one side is waiting for students to potentially wail on CUPE 3903. No need to put names, it’s quite evident. I think they’ve succeeded, and they want us to go and do exactly that – protest the strike, and apply pressure on the union to accept York’s last offer.

Perhaps a motion to march into York is in order – but all in good time. Not yet. Our year isn’t cancelled, folks. Macleans seems to be a right wing magazine that, frankly, hates lefties, like CUPE 3903. I doubt York would ever let this semester go, or this year. There is far too much at stake here.

Look, I know some of you want this year resumed in September. If that’s the case, just drop your courses already before any specific deadline, and request a tuition refund – whatever you’re entitled to. There are other students who absolutely need this year to continue, stop being so selfish. I can almost guarantee that those numbers of students who want the year resumed NOW greatly outnumber those students who wish the year be postponed until September, where we “start fresh”. At this point, of the two sides….I’d say we have more ‘strength’, just as CUPE 3903.

I’m not going to attach a name to this professor….but I emailed him, despite his initial hesitation to ‘cross the picket lines’ and answer student questions. Here is the email as follows:

“Professor, I know you’ve stood hard by your policy against writing to students….but these are difficult times….could you at least give me an idea of what to expect? Am I going back to class at all?”

This, mind you, I wrote quick and on the verge of breaking down. I was absolutely horrified by the news that CUPE 3903 didn’t accept the offer. No one can blame me, right? Well, from my professor, as of 8 o’clock this morning, here’s his long awaited response (and whether he surfs this forum or not, I wish to thank professor no-name [I will protect his privacy] for giving me a strong sense of hope…I hope this gives you all hope, too.)

“Hi Basil,

You are going to go back to class, and we will finish this course off and maintain its academic integrity. I simply cannot predict when the union and university will come to an agreement. My feeling is that it will not be much longer, but that is just a feeling. I know these are difficult times, but you are going to get through this — I promise. **”

I’m not going to reveal his response, but just so you know…brilliant man. This man single handedly, in two months, changed my worldview and inspired an even greater love of Political Science than I’d ever felt. I trust him. He’s ‘been around the block’, shall we say.

Folks, this is becoming long winded, but the point is I’ve realized that a) we’re grossly interfering in these negotiations by placing blame on one particular entity over the other, and 2) that we ARE going back. Whether some of you agree or not, CUPE 3903 does deserve a settlement all of its members can agree with. I’m not going to sit here and spew the inner workings of this union – that’s not my interest. However, I implore upon all of you to respect the bargaining process…this is essentially by protocol, this is how our country works, unions play a pivotal role in maintaining the working environments for their union members. Let’s not cave into ANY propaganda, and let’s try to unaninmously push for further bargaining between the two sides. Indeed, that’s the only way this can be settled.

Also, interesting comments I read from CMWC. Apparently, union members are fearful for their safety once this year does resume. My thinking is….to those students that engage in horseplay and threaten the union once school resumes….well, you’re no better than either of the sides, who have pushed this strike far enough and have now hurt the majority of the undergraduates…indeed, it is the undergraduates who hurt the most, but provided we respect this delicate process….these issues will resolve themselves.

Let’s only hope that this strike ends sooner rather than later, otherwise…well, students will have the final say when we make history and march onto campus in the swarms.

Peace.

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  1. B

    the margins on this are out of whack on my screen.

  2. rawr

    me too. its hard just to read the 2/3 of the left side to make out the entire meaning

  3. Yorkstudent

    I agree with you within respects to blaming the Union all the time.

    Lets make it clear that the union is not the solely body bargaining in this process.

    According to the Star newspaper, the university could not be reached for comment this morning regarding to its commitment to bargain.

    The university is not acting in good faith. And the union seems to not get their demands straight. Neither they never cared about the consequences of this strike to the students, calling this strike the “workers”‘s cause.
    I will respect the bargaining process soon as students are also respected. Trust me the idea to march and reclaim that we want our education back and a settlement to the strike soon as possible is not against the bargaining process. It is actually in favor of it.

  4. F-Ed Up

    I also can’t read this… reformat?

    I find your posts (Basil) interesting so I’d like to read it…

  5. yorkie

    can’t read it

  6. UofT Student

    I found this on Globe and Mail Website:

    —————————————————
    Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty appointed a mediator on Wednesday to attempt to resolve the long-standing strike at York University.

    Mr. McGuinty said he is sending in the province’s top mediator, Reg Pearson, to ”bang a few heads together” after union members rejected the school’s latest offer.

    ”Obviously, we’re going to do everything we can to bring the sides together,” Mr. McGuinty told reporters.

    However, he has not set a deadline for the mediation process. Nor would he comment on what he plans to do if mediation fails.

    ———————————————-
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090121.wyork0121/BNStory/National/home

    Looks like the government is stepping in…

  7. Basil El-Salviti

    Hey guys,

    I’m not sure why the article is formatted the way it is. I simply wrote it as an email, and sent it off to the mod….

    If you’d like to read it, for the time being, you could copy/paste the article onto a word application until the mod sorts out the formatting.

  8. Relaxo-Grad

    Can we fix the margins (or text/font/size), I’d like to read it.

  9. Basil El-Salviti

    I’ll email the mod.

  10. John

    What do you expect?

    CUPE 3903’s union dues fund the radical and violent Ontario Coalition Against Poverty and the two groups have very close ties.

    OCAP has been calling for a nationwide strike to bring the capitalist system crumbling down.

    From: “OCAP”
    To:
    Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:54 PM
    Subject: [ocap-members] CUPE 3903 Week of Action Information & OCAP Annual
    General Meeting Saturday January 10th – SAVE THIS DATE!

    > Strike Week of Action!
    >
    > CUPE 3903 PICKET DUTY & ACTIONS – WEEK OF DEC. 15
    >
    > In the face of the York administration’s continued disinterest in
    > bargaining, a week of more diversified actions has been planned to
    > lead us into the holiday break. While pickets at York Blvd. and
    > Glendon will be maintained, the rest of the picket lines will be down
    > in order to focus on each day’s actions.
    >
    > Attendance at each action will count for at least one shift of picket
    > duty, and sign-up sheets for all lines will be at each action as well
    > as at the remaining pickets. SEE SCHEDULE BELOW.
    >
    > —-
    >
    > SCHEDULE OF EVENTS
    >
    > Monday, December 15
    > 11:00 AM – Mass Rally and Teach-In, Keele Campus
    > Assemble at: York Boulevard Picket
    >
    > The rally will assemble at York Blvd, before marching to Vari Hall
    > where teach-ins will be held on the subject of popular education.
    > Other actions may also occur. This is organized by the Flying Squad
    > and Undergraduate Allies.
    >
    > –
    >
    > Tuesday, December 16
    > 11:00 AM – King and Bay Block Party
    > Assemble at: South-East corner of the King St. and Bay St.
    > intersection, downtown (one block west of King subway station)
    >
    > In order to bring awareness of the CUPE 3903 strike to the public, we
    > will have a Block Party to provide the public with information in
    > order to counter the misinformation and propaganda generated by York
    > University. We will hand out fliers, march across the intersection
    > during pedestrian lights, and have an afternoon of entertainment by
    > 3903 members in theater troupes, musicians, and bands!!! If you are
    > interested in performing at the Block Party please contact Simon
    > [simongarth@gmail.com].
    >
    > Following the Block Party we will be marching through the downtown
    > area along the sidewalks past York’s lawyer’s office ending up at
    > Nathan Phillips Square. The purpose of this event is to inform and
    > entertain-not to disrupt or prevent the public from their activities.
    > Let’s use this event to bring CUPE 3903’s presence to an area that
    > contain’s York’s union-busting lawyers and is highly populated with
    > the offices of York’s major corporate donors!
    >
    > This event is organized by the Chimneystack and Sentinel picket lines.
    >
    > –
    >
    > Wednesday, December 17
    > 12:00 PM – Caroling Snake March, Keele Campus
    > Assemble at: York Boulevard Picket
    >
    > We will be marching through campus singing reappropriated carols,
    > spreading holiday cheer and reminding people that we’ve been ready to
    > negotiate for weeks while the administration has sat on its hands.
    > This event is organized by the Shoreham and Northwest picket lines.
    >
    > 4:00 PM – GMM at Meron Banquet Hall, 1600 Steeles Avenue West
    >
    > –
    >
    > Thursday, December 18
    > 11:00 AM – Board of Governors Information Pickets, Downtown
    > Assemble: Outside First Canadian Place, NW corner of Bay and King St
    > intersection (one block west of King subway station)
    >
    > We will set up soft, information pickets outside one or more buildings
    > containing the offices of high-placed members of York’s Board of
    > Governors, with the intention of informing the public about the
    > employer’s intransigence, embarrassing BOG members, and maybe gaining
    > some media attention. As with all the week’s actions, the ultimate aim
    > is to build pressure on the administration to start working
    > constructively with us towards a collectively bargained solution. This
    > action is organized by the Founders and Main Gate picket lines.
    >
    > –
    >
    > Friday, December 19
    > 7:00 AM – 5:00 PM – Mass Picket at Glendon College, with BBQ
    > Assemble at: Glendon College Main Gate, 2275 Bayview Avenue (Bayview
    > and Lawrence Avenue East)
    >
    > Let’s show our most remote picket line some love, as for the past six
    > weeks they’ve been responsible for holding down an entire campus on
    > their own, cooking their own food and sometimes hiding their equipment
    > in the forest overnight. This event is organized by the Glendon and
    > Pond Road picket lines.
    >
    > How to get to Glendon – TTC Buses:
    > 11 Bayview (from Davisville or Bayview subway station)
    > 124 Sunnybrook (from Lawrence station)
    > 162 Lawrence-Donway (from Lawrence station)
    >
    > Evening – CUPE Strike Party, details TBA.
    >
    > –
    >
    > All the week’s actions are also being actively organized and supported
    > by Alternative Duties (the 9th Picket Line)
    >
    > —
    >
    > YORK BOULEVARD PICKET FOOD DRIVE
    >
    > During the Week of Action, CUPE 3903 will be running a food drive at
    > the main entrance of York University. We encourage all members of the
    > York community to participate in this initiative to alleviate hunger
    > in Toronto by bringing non-perishable food items with them when coming
    > to the university. Donations will be divided between the York Tenants
    > Coalition food bank, which serves on-campus full-year tenants of York
    > University, and the North York Harvest food bank.
    >
    > The food drive will be running Monday to Friday, 7 to 5. We are still
    > looking for union members willing to help with this project. If you
    > are interested in helping or would like further information please
    > contact Tom Peace at 041796p@acadiau.ca.
    >
    > —
    >
    > YORK BLVD AND GLENDON LINES STILL OPERATING
    >
    > Can’t participate in the week’s actions or want to supplement your
    > participation in those actions with regular picketing? Come out and
    > support the York Boulevard (Main Gate) and Glendon picket lines, which
    > will continue to operate as normal, 7 AM to 5 PM, through to Friday.

  11. Basil El-Salviti

    Just wanted to alert everyone to a minor typo I made….I meant to say that I don’t want to reveal said professors NAME, not response…..I already revealed his response.

  12. Down with York

    The strike just shows that politics is ruled by power and special interest groups.

    The conservatives support corporate interests

    The liberals/NDP support union interests.

    Until we get our own interest group together, we won’t count for jack shit. I don’t see how your professor changed your mind over 2 months of frustration by saying something so meaningless as ‘we’ll be back, I promise’. Sounds like empty words to me.

  13. This guy sounds like a CUPE rep trying to get us to side with CUPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  14. Just re-posting Basil’s message here until the margins issue gets fixed.

    Opinion piece by Basil

    Since November 6th, 2008, York has been effectively shut down. The campus, for
    those of you who’ve been there, is practically a ghost town. When you walk through the campus, it’s quite common that even your footsteps will echo inside buildings. It’s kind of strange, isn’t it?

    We all know what got us to this point. All of us – including myself – began freaking out, and put pressure on one side over the other. Clearly, York had majority support; but, CUPE 3903, with whatever support they had, perservered
    with the biggest determination.

    Last night, as many of you may know, I had reached my breaking point. To that regard, I even broke my position that CUPE Doll was just an e-picketer trying to scare students and prolong this strike. I went as far as suggesting to
    everyone that it’s by far the most important thing, at this point in time, to strike [back against(?)] the strike.

    Could still be a good idea, right? Here’s the catch – these ridiculous negotiations have been stalled long enough because one side is waiting for
    students to potentially wail on CUPE 3903. No need to put names, it’s quite evident. I think they’ve succeeded, and they want us to go and do exactly that – protest the strike, and apply pressure on the union to accept York’s last offer.

    Perhaps a motion to march into York is in order – but all in good time. Not yet. Our year isn’t cancelled, folks. Macleans seems to be a right wing magazine that, frankly, hates lefties, like CUPE 3903. I doubt York would ever let this
    semester go, or this year. There is far too much at stake here.

    Look, I know some of you want this year resumed in September. If that’s the case, just drop your courses already before any specific deadline, and request a tuition refund – whatever you’re entitled to. There are other students who absolutely need this year to continue, stop being so selfish. I can almost guarantee that those numbers of students who want the year resumed NOW greatly
    outnumber those students who wish the year be postponed until September, where we “start fresh”. At this point, of the two sides….I’d say we have more ‘strength’, just as CUPE 3903.

    I’m not going to attach a name to this professor….but I emailed him, despite
    his initial hesitation to ‘cross the picket lines’ and answer student questions.

    Here is the email as follows:

    “Professor,

    I know you’ve stood hard by your policy against writing to students….but these are difficult times….could you at least give me an idea of what to expect? Am I going back to class at all?”

    This, mind you, I wrote quick and on the verge of breaking down. I was absolutely horrified by the news that CUPE 3903 didn’t accept the offer. No one can blame me, right?

    Well, from my professor, as of 8 o’clock this morning, here’s his long awaited response (and whether he surfs this forum or not, I wish to thank professor no-name [I will protect his privacy] for giving me a strong sense of hope…I
    hope this gives you all hope, too.)

    “Hi Basil,

    You are going to go back to class, and we will finish this course off and maintain its academic integrity. I simply cannot predict when the union and university will come to an agreement. My feeling is that it will not be much longer, but that is just a feeling. I know these are difficult times, but you are going to get through this — I promise.

    **”

    I’m not going to reveal his name, but just so you know…brilliant man. This man single handedly, in two months, changed my worldview and inspired an even greater love of Political Science than I’d ever felt. I trust him. He’s ‘been around the block’, shall we say.

    Folks, this is becoming long winded, but the point is I’ve realized that a) we’re grossly interfering in these negotiations by placing blame on one
    particular entity over the other, and 2) that we ARE going back.

    Whether some of you agree or not, CUPE 3903 does deserve a settlement all of its members can agree with. I’m not going to sit here and spew the inner workings of this union – that’s not my interest. However, I implore upon all of you to
    respect the bargaining process…this is essentially by protocol, this is how our country works, unions play a pivotal role in maintaining the working
    environments for their union members. Let’s not cave into ANY propaganda, and let’s try to unanimously push for further bargaining between the two sides. Indeed, that’s the only way this can be settled.

    Also, interesting comments I read from CMWC. Apparently, union members are fearful for their safety once this year does resume. My thinking is….to those students that engage in horseplay and threaten the union once school resumes….well, you’re no better than either of the sides, who have pushed this strike far enough and have now hurt the majority of the undergraduates…indeed, it is the undergraduates who hurt the most, but
    provided we respect this delicate process….these issues will resolve themselves.

    Let’s only hope that this strike ends sooner rather than later, otherwise…well, students will have the final say when we make history and march onto campus in the swarms.

    Peace.

  15. Basil El-Salviti

    3rd year bio….lol…I’m a first year political science student. Find me on facebook. lol

  16. Basil El-Salviti

    Thanks to CUPE Doll for fixing my piece.

  17. yorkk student

    damn straight CUPE members are fearing for their safety

    especially since York is in Jane and Finch =O

    many students have now been pushed past their boiling points.

    bring them lucky charms CUPE members. Hope y’all get a warm welcome back with no violence.

  18. Guess Who

    An inside source told me that the strike will get sorted out in 10 days and we should be back to classes in 10 days.

    I can trust this piece of information since the source is a family friend of mine and works with the union.

    I don’t really know if it can get solved in ten days though, do you think it’s possible? Seeing that York has a stick up it’s ass .

  19. rational

    We need a strong student voice in all of this. Lyndon Koopmans is a pushover. Im tired of taking it. Let us organize a march for the integrity of our education and the rights of our positions as students!!!!!

  20. piece of the pie

    Heres my opinion piece.

    Anyone who takes the time and examine the unions demands and compares them with current faculty contracts at other universities can clearly see that their demands are unreasonable. They are also can clearly see that the current offer is more than fair.

    There is a hidden CUPE agenda. They cannot expect York to comply with their demands, they are too ridiculous. They want that 2 year contract…period. They are not fighting for wages or job security; they’re fighting an ideology.

    The union is nothing more than radical left wingists who want nothing short of instituting socialism in Canada.

    To CUPE: Time to take down your Che Guevera posters down, put down that marijuana cigarette, and snap back to reality.

    There needs to be 50,000 undergrads to meet these communist dreamers at the picketline each and everyday this strike continues.

  21. piece of the pie

    Heres my opinion piece.

    Anyone who takes the time and examine the unions demands and compares them with current faculty contracts at other universities can clearly see that their demands are unreasonable. They are also can clearly see that the current offer is more than fair.

    There is a hidden CUPE agenda. They cannot expect York to comply with their demands, they are too ridiculous. They want that 2 year contract…period. They are not fighting for wages or job security; they’re fighting an ideology.

    The union is nothing more than radical left wingists who want nothing short of instituting socialism in Canada.

    To CUPE: Time to take down your Che Guevera posters down, put down that marijuana cigarette, and snap back to reality.

    There needs to be 50,000 undergrads to meet these communist dreamers at the picketline each and everyday this strike continues.

  22. curious

    what’s the name of that guy in the video wearing pink and piercings, short hair in the video where he said he is representing the york not hostage movement.

    that guy’s a tool,, but whats that guys name?

  23. BigD

    is the professor Hellman? sounds like his tone…

  24. @ piece of the pie

    To CUPE: Time to take down your Che Guevera posters down, put down that marijuana cigarette, and snap back to reality.

    “viva la revolution”

    LMao yeah im pretty sure they have those che posters up.

    moreover, Che was a true hero.. cant really say the same for CUPE. sorry.

  25. cupe

    cupe has alrdy stated that they “demand the impossible”

    they even know that their wants are unattainable.

  26. lolll

    what kind of a motto is “demand the impossible”

    sounds like a adidas rip-off of “impossible is nothing”

    FCUK CUPE

  27. FRENCH CONNECTION

    t shirt idea FRENCH CONNECTION UNITED KINGDOM CUPE

  28. FRENCH CONNECTION

    t shirt idea FRENCH CONNECTION UNITED KINGDOM CUPE.

  29. UnderGrad Int'l

    To rational, piece of pie and others who want a rally, see the “rat is dead…” thread.

  30. @FRENCH CONNECTION

    hahahahaaa i actually like that idea..whos making the t-shirts???

  31. piece of the pie

    Im not trying to organize a rally. Im at the point where I want something more extreme than that.
    CUPE wants to nickel and dime the uni…

    MY proposal is 50,000 student go there tomorrow and simultaneously throw handfuls of nickel and dimes at them.

    “Make it rain bitches”

  32. UnderGrad Int'l

    Oh my, I couldn’t help but laugh. You too radical @ makin it rain. 🙂

    Anyway, good luck on that. Peace.

  33. UnderGrad Int'l

    Lol. I couldn’t help but laugh at throwing nicks and dimes at them. You’re too radical! 🙂

    Good luck though. Peace

  34. Curious Yorkie

    @ Piece of Pie,

    hahaha. Good idea. but i dont think these CUPE members are worth even that right now 😛

  35. roflmao

    FINANCIAL PRECIPITATION up in this bitchhh

    change the forecast and make it rain

  36. UnderGrad Int'l

    Is it only me, or is everyone just tired and weary of writing and defending on this blog? It almost like reading ppl’s pessimistic remarks just suck the optimism out of ya.

  37. UnderGrad Int'l

    Lol@ financial precipitation.

  38. Reasonable Person

    Basil.

    You forgot to tell us how it is reasonable for CUPE to demand more than being paid the highest wages in the province. More than double that at some universities.

    CUPE is to blame.

    Here’s the truth of this whole situation that no one likes to admit.

    CUPE is made up of two groups. One is TAs. Being a TA at York isn’t like being an MBA at Schulich or studying Law at Osgoode. York graduate school is second choice for people who didn’t get into UofT. So you have all these people who weren’t bright enough to be accepted into UofT at York. Mostly aimless people who aren’t academically strong, going to York because they have no good career prospects and didn’t get into UofT grad school.

    A large proportion are liberal arts students who are still wandering around unsure of what to do with their lives. Most other TAs see it as a stepping stone to their post grad careers. York TAs think it’s their job. They think they deserve full time pay for part time work. They considering being a TA their label and current career. No other TAs at UofT would strike like this because for them, they are there to get their degrees and TA is a part time thing to supplement their income. Only the York TAs consider it more than that.

    Then we have the contract faculty. The people who are second best to tenured faculty and couldn’t earn the positions on their own, so now they’re supposed to get them automatically without competition.

    Let’s be honest about this strike and CUPE. The reason why York’s CUPE has so many problems while UofT doesn’t is because York’s union is filled with second-best rejects with lower average intellect and academic integrity.

  39. @Reasonable Person

    AMEN

  40. Guys i think we should all meet up and go to queens park and make our voices heard. The date is Wednesday Jan. 28th; a week from today. I am fuming over this strike and have reached a point where nothing but the end of this strike would quench my unbearable rage. Please join me my friends and together we will be heard and taken seriously!

  41. piece of the pie

    Reasonable person.

    well said. I think all of these points needed to be addressed.

  42. wwod?

    martin luther walked so obama could run
    obama ran so we all could fly

  43. jajaa

    we need to obamatize this situation

  44. j

    we’re canadian.

  45. If you guys want this strike to be over the STOP sitting around your home and lets mobilize! We need to show the people of CANADA that WE ARE SICK OF STANDING AROUND and witnessing no negotiations taking place. January 28th guys! Lets show up and make our voices heard!

  46. piece of the pie

    Jan 28 is too late.

    Its nickel and dime time. I want dozens of queen elizabeth imprints on every single one of those CUPE bitches.

  47. Reasonable Person

    January 28th? Another week until we finally do something? What a joke.

    50,000 students.

    All we need is just a few hundred students. Send one hundred to picket the picketers. Send a hundred to stalk York’s offices. Send a hundred to stalk the government offices. This kind of stupid publicity stunts would make a difference.

    The strike keeps going because 50,000 students are doing nothing.

  48. ram

    Hey all:
    Here is a video link in excalibur site. You can see whatever we have read in so many newspaper articles thus far. Interesting video!!!!

    http://www.excal.on.ca/cms2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6674

  49. ram

    True that a picture is worth a 1000 words.

  50. well then if you guys are down lets get together before that. talking and critiquing everything i say will not make this strike end pick a date, be there and lets tear some shit up, metaphorically speaking of course..

  51. Reasonable Person

    Problem is YOrk students are so f***ing lazy. They say they’ll do anything to help out but they won’t.

    All we need is a hundred people. Hell even a few dozen would do.

    Just a big mass of people, all go into York’s offices at the same time and demand to know when we’re going to school.

    A big crowd frightens everyone.

    Go into the government offices, fifty people at once, that will make a difference.

    Call a news crew, get them to follow us, then go and demand for school back.

    There are things we can do. We should have done it back in December.

    But the other Yorkie’s are so fu**ing lazy.

    Maybe that’s unfair. The fact that so many are commuters also has to do with it.

  52. Ed2

    @ reasonable person

    wow…for someone who claims to be reasonable, you sure do make a lot of long-winded speculations.

  53. Confused....

    @ arber

    I agree we can’t wait to long but at least a couple of days notice so lots of peeps can come out

  54. i agree york students are lazy fucks but lets change that. youre right all we need IS 100 or so individuals and a news crew so why dont we do it then?

  55. @confused

    exactly which is why a week from today would be plenty of time to get people informed so they can plan it out

  56. Poor_Stupid_York_Students

    it’s what I’ve been saying all along. York students are lazy and for this you deserve your fate.

  57. Confused....

    @ Arber

    What is the most effective way of going about this in your opinion?

  58. @ poor_stupid…

    that comment is very unnecessary and heinous. you sit can go choke on a cock. because i am sick and tired of people talking shit. york students can and will end this fucking strike.

  59. John Locke

    If you want this strike to end…YOU NEED TO GET OBAMA!!!

  60. @ confused

    i think we should let all of our close friends know about meeting up and make sure they are going to show up.

  61. Poor_Stupid_York_Students

    @ Arber

    I’ll believe it when I see it.

  62. BEYOND PISSED!!

    Although we all know this strike is only about contract length and the 2010 master plan…

    if Tyler Shipley maintains that this is all about making contract faculty positions more secure, maybe he wouldn’t mind if York made the TA job a volunteer position and then used that money to hire contract faculty on as full-time profs!!

    York, and all unis, need to reduce their reliance on CUPE members…

  63. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=50500266575&ref=mf

    just found this facebook group. they plan on meeting before the picketers show up and protest against the protesters hahaa should be interesting, no?

  64. Confused....

    I don’t have facebook 😦 … What’s going on?

  65. http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=50671622250

    PLEASE CHECK THIS OUT TOO. they plan on meeting tonight at 7 at bethune dining hall to discuss a plan of action!

  66. Confused....

    Oh ok so its the same thing being discussed on …The Rat is Dead (It is time to converge on OUR UNIVERSITY!)… check out the info there too

  67. Yorkstudent

    @ Piece of pie

    “The union is nothing more than radical left wingists who want nothing short of instituting socialism in Canada”

    What? Ok. So you are fond of the paranoia model of interpreting the facts.

    I do not think the union wants to institutionalize socialism in Canada. I even think that the union wants really to settle this agreement because this strike has been certainly bad for their pr. The problem with the union is simply that their ideology “e.g Workers have to win” or ” let’s bargain until we’re happy” .. .etc has alienated them. They might have had good intentions at the very first beginning of this strike, but they lost control over it. Their demands (let’s say priorities because we cannot get everything from a bargaining process) is not now something that we can rely on.

    They spent three months (actually few days) bargaining with york over student code of conduct. If job security was their first one priority they will have fight for it , focused since the beginning of the strike.

    But nooo .. they thought York had plenty of time to go one-by-one of their demands.

    Let’s not praise York guys. What they have done until now is to walk away from the table and cry loud in their stupid news release website by using one of the most famous cliches of the year “these tough economic times”

    Now,
    “To CUPE: Time to take down your Che Guevera posters down, put down that marijuana cigarette, and snap back to reality”

    I told you, it’s Che GueVAra!

  68. Yorkstudent

    Yeah it is tough “these economic times” but it is rather tough York lack of action in these BAD “education times”.

    I agree with Basil. Union and York have not shown good faith until now.

    They have to go back to the table.

  69. piece of the pie

    @ york student
    comments from the union such as “viva la revolution”, “take down the neoliberalism”, and “demand the impossible” lead me to believe they are radical left wingers.

    The fact the the CUPE union is orchestrating a 2010 province wide strike shows that there is nothing to stop their goal of taking down neoliberalism in the university system. They are fighting an ideology.

    If you want to interpret the facts, then look at the union demands, the university offer, and current contracts of faculty at other universities. See what conclusion you come up with.

  70. piece of the pie

    There is no reason to go back to the table if the current offer is more than fair.

    The ONLY resolution to this embarrassment is government legislation.

    But we as students need to put pressure on the government to do so.

  71. Andrew

    Basil said: “Whether some of you agree or not, CUPE 3903 does deserve a settlement all of its members can agree with.”

    I partly agree, but I think this sentence needs qualification. The administrators of York University have a duty not to agree to a contract that will undermine the academic functions and reputation of the university. If this principle comes into conflict with the principle that CUPE members deserve an agreeable settlement, as it has in this strike with the demand for special renewable contracts, who should win?

  72. F-Ed Up

    Yes, but semi-violent threats against CUPE members lead me to believe that all students who are upset at CUPE are violent, irrational, and a tad bit insane.

    So that’s where we get when we let ourselves be led to believe what we want to believe by listening only to people who are clearly nut jobs.

  73. potato patato

    @BASIL

    You’re opinion piece was ridiculous. I think you should keep your lame comments to yourself. As for your “inspirational” prof..no one knows what will happen and stop writing all this foolish crap!

  74. Just Another Yorker

    Andrew, your tone sounds way too familiar.

    Are you in the Health & Society program by any chance?

  75. F-Ed Up

    (to clarify I don’t actually believe this – I was just turning the table for rhetorical effect, which should be obvious)

  76. Gotcha

    Yes it would be great if we had our own Canadian Obama to lean on but put simply, Canadian politics is boring. The world doesnt care about our politics, and i doubt many Canadians even care. If the government wants to make a splash in order to compete with Obama, they can start of with ending this strike…

  77. Commuter

    To all of you saying we need to get Obama, looks like CUPE already did.

    Their latest posting is a plagiarized version of Obama’s speech.

    Read the message, then read the transcript. Things are word for word stolen.

    I find this embarrassing, considering this union is supposed to represent the teachers who drill into our heads constantly the dangers of plagiarism.

  78. BEYOND PISSED!!

    ya there are plenty of socialist and communist countries left to move to…

    anyway, think about it…

    *by accepting a 3-year deal, CUPE 3903 would screw over the whole CUPE union by not making the 2010 plan a reality. who wants to be the one to let them down? So in their eyes, they absolutely cannot budge on this.

    *From York’s perspective, they’re offering 3 yrs bc giving them 2 years would screw themselves and the entire province over. I think we can side with them on not giving in to this 2-year thing.

    So since both have absolutely cannot give in to the others’ demand on length of contract, this won’t ever solve itself.

    Binding arbitration or BTWL are the only ways to end this.

    Of course York would walk away from the table… c’mon, they’re not the only ones completely frustrated by CUPE’s outrageous demands. I’d walk away too to save my sanity.

    GIVE IT UP CUPE!!!

  79. ram

    BTWL is more than unlikely.. Because
    1)this is a govt that completely believes in collective bargaining
    2)there has been no such history where the govt had to step in with BTWL to resolve a university strike.
    3)Thirdly, it is against the democratic right to strike and bargain collectively (at least in Ontario).
    I read this in some news paper article today morning. It said Mcguinty is concerned about BTWL because the union can challenge it at the court which will only result in the strike getting prolonged. So far there has been no dead line set for the provincial mediator to resolve this issue and Milloy ( minister for colleges) has said that it does not have any plans for BTWL.
    4)York is a private sector institution. It is autonomous. So the govt does not have the necessity to facilitate BTWL to end a labor dispute in a private institution.
    5) he has also opined that he is not prepared to call the legislature one month before its scheduled start.

    But again, these only represent current state of affairs. But if the mediation fails and the entire school becomes jeopardized, McGuinty could even change his conventional thoughts and pass BTWL. But it is definitely unlikely atleast in near future.
    Having said this, something dramatic has to happen so that york changes its mind and start negotiating. Once there is a kick start, I think things could get going smoothly.

  80. Laura

    It’s my birthday on the 28th, I’m gonna stay home, be happy, and try to forget that I went to York this year.

  81. Observer

    “Our challenges are real and many. They will not be met easily, but they will be met” (Cupe’s website)

    “Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America – they will be met”. ( from Obama’s speech)

    My god .. this union is ridiculous! What a shame!

  82. Commuter

    @ Observer

    I found 5 plagiarized chunks… see if you can spot them all. 😉

    And while the one you found is one of them, there were a couple where the complete sentence was stolen word for word without anything changed at all.

  83. piece of the pie

    @ ram
    didnt read you whole post, but one point stood out.
    4)York is a *PUBLIC SECTOR* institution.

    That is all. thank you.

  84. BEYOND PISSED!!

    that’s like blasphemy to use obama’s words 😉

  85. Crazyyorkie

    Hey guys! Be proud .. these are our ta’s , ga and contract faculty! Copying Obama’s speech …

    This union is clearly sick!

  86. Reasonable Person

    Who the hell is going to care about another rally?

    A rally gives the news organizations one story to talk about.

    You have to organize people to get in there and harass these people, CUPE, York Admin, and the government, to their face. Crowd their offices, waste their time, screw everything up for them.

    Don’t plan another rally, for gods sake, do something USEFUL.

  87. Yorkstudent

    Is this serious that CUPE wrote a statement based on Obama’s inauguration speech?

  88. YS

    check this out:

    http://cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090121/090121_york_strike/20090121/?hub=CP24Home

    this is going to turn out to probably be atleast a 4 month strike now…

  89. @ observer

    Good Call!

    Observer
    January 21, 2009 at 10:47 am
    “Our challenges are real and many. They will not be met easily, but they will be met” (Cupe’s website)

    “Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America – they will be met”. ( from Obama’s speech)

    My god .. this union is ridiculous! What a shame!

  90. B

    Academic Integrity! For shame.

  91. Obama is NOT ridiculous:O! you crazy CUPE people. They don’t even realize they’re ruining THEIR OWN education along with everyone elses!

  92. Observer

    No, we call CUPE crazy for not being able to create its own words.

    Plagiarism.

    Leave Obama out of this. Let’s not mix the issues here.

  93. Yorkie2

    Gosh … CUPE is definitely insane!

    Why are they copying Obama’s speech???

  94. Obama Lover

    You brought Obama into this.

  95. Calm Eyes

    Al Gore: “Some day, Deep Blue, you’ll learn that not ALL problems can be solved with chess”

    Replace Deep Blue with ‘everyone’ and replace chess with ‘lassaiz-faire capitalism’

  96. Deborah

    Ohhh I know this Calm eyes .. I tried one time to replace words by using someone’s statement but I was caught by my ta for plagiarism hehehe.

  97. UnderGrad Int'l

    My word! @ that Excalibur video. I get the sense that this is a game. You mean to tell me , the union members had to be carrying on like littel brats trying to push there way into the man’s address.

    Gee! Adn the lady at the end screaming about “forceable confinement”.

    Circus!

  98. ahhhh

    Hey Basil

    I think you wrote this piece very well. Students should not take sides. And even if they do, they should not be trying to do things to either sides because it makes life harder for everyone.

    Come on people, be realistic. If students could do something, something would have gone through already. Look at all of those petitions, walks, sit ins, riots, etc.

    NONE WENT THROUGH!!!!!

    They don’t care about us… and even if they do, we’re not on the top of their priority list. So why don’t people just give up??. For instance, the meeting thing that’s going to take place @ york tonight?. I think its absolutely ridiculous.. and I am definitely not attending. I have better things to do and I am not even going to waste one second to go there to do something I know wont make a difference.

    Think about it this way… York students are basically on their break right now. We’re going to have a shorter summer!! SO ENJOY IT WHILE YOU CAN!! U would want to waste your break on stupid stuff like that that wont work? Good for you… cuz I’m not wasting my break. When this strike ends, school is going to be tough and everyone is going to be stressed. Release most of your stress now so when school starts, you can get going on the ball and not fall.

    Well written indeed Basil. THE STUDENT BODY should be neutral and let them settle what they need to get done. Whatever we try to do on the side will NOT make a difference. Even the government is not stepping in. Who are we to step in? Yes. some people will argue with me that we are in the right position to stand in because we are the undergrads and the ones probably most affected by the strike. I do agree we are most affected… but really. By stepping in… what are you REALLY getting out of it? NOTHING!!! Ok maybe your sanity that you tried to do something.

    Well whatever. I don’t know. I just think people should think it through and base their own opinions and truth and facts before taking sides too easily just by “hearing” others opinions. Let York admin and CUPE do their thing. Stop trying to do useless things.. and just enjoy the break while we’re still on break.

  99. matt

    You should know that cupe members are not writing this b.s. Upset students are……

  100. Lets rally together and show cupe that we can organize eachother too. Lets make our voices be heard everyone!

    http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=50671622250

    invite all your friends and make our voice heard

  101. BEYOND PISSED!!

    if everyone thought they couldn’t make a difference, nothing would ever get done. that’s the argument people use to not recycle. that thinking is dangerous. if you want to sit home and do nothing, fine but don’t try to convince others to do the same.

    there’s gotta be a way to use our own collective power to effect change. threatening york to drop our courses and get refunds will just backfire on us, so govt action is the only way.

    isn’t york admin bothering the province to do something? pressure Shoukri to pressure the govt!!

  102. adam

    Response to “Opinion Piece by BASIL” …

    I appreciate your insight into this strike. You seem to be very current with the facts and developments. Although I feel you have fallen into the easy, academic trap of “theory over practice.”

    You write in theory that unions are important and that we should step aside and let the parties bargain… and theoretically that will get us back into the classroom as soon as possible. But i encourage you to take your eyes off your text book and look at the situation as logically and free from political bias as possible. The point is easy: we paid, and NO ONE IS IN SCHOOL! Thousands of students have lost money (students whose parents have lost their jobs due to the recession) and no matter which way you put it, will lose the quality of education (shortened term). Call me ignorant to the political landscape… but i fail to see the benefit of a Union that allows employees to STOP working whenever they see fit. Yes yes, many say “it’s not that simple, there is this issue and that issue..” But, maybe it IS that simple. We paid for a product and we are not getting it. I am so sick of people talking politics and NOT logic. This is my logic: I am a free lance artist, and in my world, if I don’t show up to work, I lose my job. FACT! And the joke is, I am one of the few students who IS a part of a TWO Unions (associated with my outside profession). And still, as a student and Union member, it seems to me, in this situation, the Union is one big, legalized bully. And what kills me is that we are so trapped by this political hot potato that no one wants to call blame on anyone. Whether it’s the university, government or Union. Instead, let’s play “Canadian” and “…step back.” Well that kind of neutrality is a little too text-book for me…. a little too politically correct.

    You are SO wrong to say we should sit back! After all, it is not about winning, its about the voice– the very act of protesting! If we as students sit back and let the “professionals” deal with our well being, we are failing our generation in more ways than one. I recall this years American election — the youth vote was a huge deal. All of a sudden generation Y has a voice…and you want us to “sit back and let them bargain.” We should get right in there, protest against York’s poor administration, the union’s whack demands and against our government for allowing this in the first place. Maybe things will change OR maybe nothing will change, but at least we stood up for ourselves. At least we had a voice.

    And finally, while i don’t doubt that your professor is an incredibly intelligent and experienced person (after all he’s a professor), I recommend you stop getting advice from the very institution and personnel that is linked to this very strike. While this strike does not directly include the professors, the profs, TA’s and their Unions are all a part of the same family! You’ve been to class right? TA’s play a pivotal role in the way a professor runs his or her classroom (marking, research exc). They scratch each others back. They need each other. If they didn’t, the professors would be in the classroom lecturing right now, wouldn’t they? So i recommend we think a little more critically about this.

    All in all, the question is not “are we going back?” because we obviously are…. at some point. The question is, did we, as Gen Y, stand up for ourselves when it mattered most — in a situation where we have been mistreated, ignored and overlooked. These are the moments that define our character. So drop the political science text book and pick up the protest signs! We owe it to ourselves.

    -YorkU student.

  103. adam

    -message to “beyond pissed” post. I just read what you wrote. YES! I am so glad someone is on my page!

  104. Calm Eyes

    Union members that hate unions – yet would never leave their job for the ‘real world’ (ie. a job in a non-unionized workplace doing the same job).

    I love that you include “character” and “principle” in your rhetoric! It’s so insane!

  105. ram

    Hello everyone
    I just have a quick question. The university is having its next senate meeting tomorrow at 3 pm in york wood library theater. Although the york website does not include discussion about the strike in the agenda, I want to know if they might.

    Did any one of you attend the last senate meeting? was it useful at all? If not i would not bother going there from my residence. I need your advise.

  106. Face of a Closer

    Calm Eyes – Couldn’t agree more. Anti-union unionists are idiots. Companies that pay their employees fairly usually don’t see unions form; unions tend to be the reward that bad employers get.

  107. McGuinty

    EVERYONE REMEMBER MCGUINTY’S ACTIONS COME NEXT ELECTION.

  108. piece of the pie

    *McGuinty’s *inaction

    50,000+ conservative votes will definitely send a messege

  109. Face of a Closer

    in a lot of ways Tory is more liberal than McGuinty – doh!

  110. BEYOND PISSED!!!

    this thing won’t let me post

  111. miz

    I tried to post and nothing happened..too many at once…

  112. C'mon

    “Folks, this is becoming long-winded…”

    Gee, ya think?

    I appreciate that you’ve been trying to wrap your head around this process, but golly, did we really need the dramatic let’s-keep-cool rant? 50,000 students, no matter how angry they are with the strike, are not going to come after their T.A.’s with pitchforks and torches. Take your own advice, man.

  113. BEYOND PISSED

    I just emailed Shoukri, McGuinty and MPPs demanding either binding arbitration or BTWL..because it is clear that both sides won’t budge on the CONTRACT LENGTH..the main sticking point. They just won’t change their positions. Ever. So the only way is to FORCE an end to this.

    SO EVERYBODY EMAIL Shoukri, McGuinty, Milloy, Shurman and your own MPP to step up to the plate.

    Tell them a mediator won’t do squat (as mediators only facilitate conversation and past has proven they won’t work), but rather the situation calls for arbitration or BTWL. Mention that they’ve lost your Liberal vote provincially since they are failing to meet our needs. And that it is in the best interest of the province to not sit back and let the reputation of Ontario’s education system go down the toilet.

  114. Shah

    @ ram

    I was at the last senate meeting. Nothing could really be done or discussed during those meetings. It is mostly a part of their formal job to have these meetings (reed paperwork kinda thing).

  115. TRUTH

    I say to you capitalists, it’s time to give up and respect human beings and their right. It’s time to stop your ultra right wing imperialists and their money grabbing media friends and come to terms with CUPE. CUPE has achieved a significant victory and has singlehandedly ridiculed capitalism . These comrades have proved the power of TAs and students moving together as one

    Today more and more students are supporting their CUPE. They are asking for the school year to be canceled to help CUPE and put York under pressure. Today the fight for justice, freedom, humanity and equality has become the most important goal for CUPE and students

    And I say to those ignorant capitalist tools who get paid by York to come here, pose as students and say hateful things about CUPE, join the movement and be part of this massive CUPE and students campaign and let the “Demand the Impossible” become a reality

    Viva La Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  116. Henry

    @ BEYOND PISSED

    I am afraid forcing will not solve any problems.

    You can not run the classes without the part-time faculty if things are not settled mutually. If they could, York would have done it already. Do not mix this issue with cases like TTC strike.

    The only LEGAL solution seems to be accessible through negotiations.

  117. Fidel

    I am with you TRUTH.

  118. Walter

    who is this TRUTH thing? Is it for real?

    It makes me upset. I do not ant to go back to communism … Please stop.

  119. BEYOND PISSED

    you guys are in the wrong continent…welcome to north america

  120. Yorkstudent

    I agree with Henry. The best option is to force both parties to go back and bargain.

    Government action will take long time to be organized .. and time is what we do not have anymore.

  121. Vayne

    Say that binding arbitration or BTWL goes through–or we (the students) rally at the school, like some are suggesting–will it actually resolve the problem and address the reason that CUPE went on strike in the first place? How do we know that this won’t happen again in the near future? Next year is (or was supposed to be) my last year, and I’d hate for something like this to happen again.

  122. Face of a Closer

    Unions are a vital part of social DEMOCRACY. Not communism.

  123. Yorkstudent

    Fidel and Truth – are the same idiot trying to spread fear and non sense in this forum.

    Just in case, Fidel go back to Cuba because you are too old now to argue.Let Raul, your son, speak for you.

  124. BEYOND PISSED!!!!

    no. unions were necessary at one point in history but you guys aren’t starving. my cousin works 14 hours a day for 100 flat rate, but he’s a chef at a great restaurant so it’s all about getting experience. he deserves to be part of a union. but he knows he’s not forced into that job and can work for more but won’t learn as much.

    anyway, welcome to the future of business and employment. try to fight it but you won’t achieve anything. it’s simply not realistic in this day and society, so find another country that suits your needs. i am nowhere near conservative but this is really ridiculous.

  125. YS

    wasn’t there already a mediator? and he/she failed to make the two sides come to a deal…..

  126. tired of no school

    excellent point beyond pissed. Unions were implemented mostly because workers were being taken advantage of by employers. Unions are unnecessary and one of the reasons why the economy in the states and canada is hurting so much. (Look at the U.S. auto industry in comparison to Japans – No unions in Japan, still reasonable wages, and not in serious debt.)

  127. Face of a Closer

    this idea that unions aren’t necessary “anymore” is so stupid.
    Go to some of the factories in the area that employ newcomers. You tell me they’re following WSIB regulations. You tell me they’re listening to labour laws. Get back to me on that one.

  128. TRUTH

    For the record, Fidel is not me. I only post as TRUTH because I post nothing but TRUTH

    CUPE has massive amount of emaila coming from students everyday. Majority of them are glad to be part of this historic strike and proud to stand behind CUPE. CUPE also has emails from students from other universities. They announce their support for CUPE and they regret they are not part of York so they can part in this historic journey. York is a center now for freedom loving humans and those who choose to fight these ugly imperialist monsters. CUPE is fighting hard to close down these capitalists and bring justice to humans

    Demand the Impossible

    Viva la Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  129. Poor gu

    It seems that the year will finally be cancelled. Everyone is talking about it.

  130. Face of a Closer

    anyone that says that the unions are the reason the big 3 are failing is simply uninformed. Unions are only one reason, and not even one of the MAIN reasons that they have taken a hit.

  131. Fidel

    I am the TRUTH.

    @ Yorkstudent

    I will ask my son Raul. Thanks for the tip.

  132. Confused....

    @ BEYOND PISSED!!!!

    Can you give the details of that rally for Monday?

  133. Fork not York

    I just heard that the reason that York said they are not returning to baragaining table is that simply there is NO chairs available at the moment to sit. apparantly the do not want to stand on tehir feet during the baragaining.

    Anyone can confrim this?

  134. BEYOND PISSED

    @ Confused….

    Well, after talking to some people I am not sure if that is the right thing to do. Will post some updates soon.

  135. piece of the pie

    TRUTH is proof the union is not fighting the offer, but an ideology.

    TRUTH its time to take off your Che Guevara shirt you hippie clown.

    Look at the history of socialism and get real.

    “viva la revolution”-translated: youre a fucking idiot.

  136. piece of the pie

    @Fork not York

    as cute as you look in your pic, that post you just made is fucking ridiculous and I hope it was a joke

  137. BEYOND PISSED!

    yeah those auto workers make a lot of $ per hour.. oh right so do CUPE TAs! ok guys c’mon, you’re not working in a dangerous factory, you’re making great wages, and this isn’t your life-long career anyway. it’s for experience and contacts, just like internships. make it volunteer-based and put that money toward hiring the profs full-time damnit!

  138. Fork not York

    @ piece of the pie

    Thanks for the compliment. I just took a shower.

    I was not joking. That is what I heard about the baragaining table. It seems last time they had to stand there for 3 hours during baragaining.

    Maybe we should as Dr. McGuinty to send some chairs to York.

  139. BEYOND PISSED!

    @confused,
    no sorry i just came across the link and thought i’d share. it seems to have more people on the invite list than the yorknothostage one for tonight, so maybe there will be a better turnout to that one on monday night?

    @ BEYOND PISSED,
    umm can u change your name? it’s a little confusing, thanks 🙂

  140. aaaaaaaaahhh

    when are they gonna start negotiating again? what is going to happen now?

    why do they always keep the students in the dark? wtf?

  141. FUTURE

    Please give give notice f0r date/time/location of the proposed PEACEFUL rallys. Let’s get as many out in support as possible. I’m in.

    I’m not into the blame game. Just want to get back to school

  142. Event Info******************************

    Host: studentsagainstyorkstrike@gmail.com
    Type: Causes – Rally
    Date: Monday, January 26, 2009
    Time: 11:00am – 2:00pm
    Location: Queen’s Park

  143. TRUTH

    Truth to me resembles Scientology

    we must go at it like the Anonymous against Scientology

    we must take down CUPE

  144. @ Fork not York

    You’re HOTT!!…thats all i can confirm…sorry.

  145. EVENT INFO # 2******************************

    Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009
    Time: 6:30am – 5:00pm
    Location: york university-main picket line-bus loop
    Contact Info Phone: 416 624 9097(NOT MY PHONE)
    Email: patrick_czk@hotmail.com(NOT ME)

    This event is for getting at the picket lines before the picketers and then surprising them with a protest of our own!

  146. TRUTH

    2008 was just the beginning. 2010 will be the year for the big fight against these cold hearted capitalists who use human beings as tools for their imperialist agenda. Media has proven to be a toy in the hand of right wing capitalist monsters and York is wasting money paying ignorant tools to come here and spread hatred against the freedom loving people of CUPE

    In 2010 all universities across Ontario will go on strike and then we see how these ruthless capitalists get humiliated. In 2010 will shut down all the universities to bring justice, equality, freedom and fairness to all the TAs and their families. The 2 year contract is not negotiable and York better gives to it. CUPE will not, I repeat will not let go of this 2 year contract. CUPE will join the fight in 2010 and CUPE will not jeopardize this opportunity so York should know that. CUPE and students must make sure school year gets canceled this year so they are left with no option. This is our goal right now and we are working hard

    Demand the Impossible

    Viva la Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  147. @truth

    go touch yourself and talk your shit somewhere else you fucker

  148. BEYOND PISSED!

    THAT IS WHY A MEDIATOR WON’T WORK!!
    because CUPE radicals won’t drop the 2-year bullshit and YORK isn’t STUPID enough to give in!!

    GIVE IT UP!!! You fuckers deserve to be forced back to work!

  149. piece of the pie

    TRUTH you have absolutely no clue what your talking about.
    People like you are bottomfeeders unable to survive in a capitalist society.
    You need the protection blanket of a joke socialist union.
    Dog eat dog world and only the strong will survive. Take you Che Guevara, hippie, pot smoking, hemp wearing, faggot ass out of here.

    I hope the “hand of the right wing” smacks you right into reality.

    I bet youre 30+ typing away in your macbook in your moms basement

  150. TRUTH

    Insult is the way you capitalist tools try to silence the freedom loving humans fighting for their rights. You try to make everybody shut up so you can advance your agenda and continue using people as bunch of tools to make profit for yourself. That will not continue and CUPE will fight hard to bring justice to the people it represent. This is the fight for a better world and in 2010 it will become even bigger so you capitalist monster who survive on someone else’s suffering better get it together

    Students have tremendously shown their support for CUPE and their comrades. CUPE and students are brothers in arms in their quest for justice and freedom. They have repeatedly shown their desire for school year to get canceled. They are also gearing up for the 2010 which will be important

    “The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall”
    “Until victory always”
    Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara

    Viva la Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  151. annonymous

    go away you stupid e-picketers

  152. piece of the pie

    “Students have tremendously shown their support for CUPE and their comrades. CUPE and students are brothers in arms in their quest for justice and freedom. They have repeatedly shown their desire for school year to get canceled.”

    now I know your user name is a joke.

    TRUTH- you’re a tool. wake up and smell the beans.
    Time to get out of your moms basement and into the real world…youre30+ for Gods sake

  153. Poor_Stupid_York_Students

    Fail Fail Fail

    You students fail. This site has acomplished nothing but provide a forum for students to write senseless pointless posts. You fail to take action; all you do is talk.

    And most of the talk is not even relevant.

    I have applied to York for Grad School next year, and since I have two TA positions under my belt I was thinking of getting employment there. But if this is the best the student population has to offer than it may not be worth the hassle, regardless of the benefits that CUPE may or may not acquire from this strike.

  154. Andy

    Oh, don’t get worked up over Truth, s/he is just another CUPE and union opponent putting together an excellent piece of role-playing/parody. I find it all very impressive and quite entertaining.

  155. THISISBS

    SCHULICH BACKTO SCHOOOL

    Dear Schulich BBA and iBBA Students,

    You are by now aware that the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) Local 3903 representing teaching assistants, contract faculty and graduate assistants at York University voted against York’s offer for settlement in a supervised vote that took place on Monday and Tuesday of this week.

    Immediately following the announcement of the outcome of the vote, the Schulich School met with the Executive Committee of the University Senate. I am very pleased to report that our request to restart classes on Monday, January 26, 2009 for Fall undergraduate BBA and iBBA courses has been granted. This only applies to BBA and iBBA Schulich-based business courses. The Committee’s decision took into account a number of factors including the ability of the School to resume a full and integral instructional program.

    Specific class schedules will be sent to you in a separate e-mail by week’s end. As well, I will be communicating with your parents as I did in December. This communication will be a personalized letter sent to them by Canada Post. A copy of the letter’s content will be e-mailed to you for information.

    I wish to assure you and your family that the essence, reputation and value of your Schulich undergraduate degree will remain intact.

    I am grateful to all of you for your patience during the interruption of classes. I look forward to welcoming you back to Schulich.

    Yours sincerely,

  156. Schulicher

    Hi all, I just received this email at 6pm on January 21, 2008. If Schulich can go back, why can’t the rest of York?

    Dear Schulich BBA and iBBA Students,

    You are by now aware that the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) Local 3903 representing teaching assistants, contract faculty and graduate assistants at York University voted against York’s offer for settlement in a supervised vote that took place on Monday and Tuesday of this week.

    Immediately following the announcement of the outcome of the vote, the Schulich School met with the Executive Committee of the University Senate. I am very pleased to report that our request to restart classes on Monday, January 26, 2009 for Fall undergraduate BBA and iBBA courses has been granted. This only applies to BBA and iBBA Schulich-based business courses. The Committee’s decision took into account a number of factors including the ability of the School to resume a full and integral instructional program.

    Specific class schedules will be sent to you in a separate e-mail by week’s end. As well, I will be communicating with your parents as I did in December. This communication will be a personalized letter sent to them by Canada Post. A copy of the letter’s content will be e-mailed to you for information.

    I wish to assure you and your family that the essence, reputation and value of your Schulich undergraduate degree will remain intact.

    I am grateful to all of you for your patience during the interruption of classes. I look forward to welcoming you back to Schulich.

    Yours sincerely,

    Dezsö J. Horváth, CM
    Dean
    Tanna H. Schulich Chair in Strategic Management
    Schulich School of Business
    York University

  157. Chink

    awesome! Schulich kids get all the respect… while the others are thrown into the trash can! THANKS BITCHES. I WISH I NEVER GET BACK TO YORK!

  158. Worried

    IS this true? If so than why would they not post something on the website? Makes me wonder and if it is true than what is going on? No offense to those Schulich students but what places their campus higher than the rest of us?

  159. FUCK YAAAA

    SCHULICH BACK TO SCHOOL.

    HAVENT DONE SHIT THO…

  160. FUCK YAAAA

    THEY PROLLY DIDNT POST ANYTHING CUZ THEY KNO THAT YORK STUDENTS R GONA PROTEST

  161. piece of the pie

    Schulich TAs are not part of the union. It would have been bad pr to have them open while the rest of york was on strike. I guess they have had enough.

  162. Commuter

    So why does Schulich get to go back? Are their teachers/TAs not a part of CUPE 3903?!

  163. Worried

    Well they should have gone back before if that were the case. I find this fishy.

  164. student

    thats fucking stupid..

    what about all of the other students..
    this is bullshit..

    Fuck you cupe

  165. FUCK YAAAA

    I AGREE ITS UNFAIR FOR THE OTHER STUDENTS…

    OK…I ALREDAY GOT 2 EMAILS FROM PROFS WITH REVISED COURSE OUTLINES AND LET ME TELL U….IM SCREWED

  166. 4WeeksFromGraduating

    Why doesn’t Atkinson learn from Shulich – we are also CUPE exempt!

  167. ram

    @ worried
    Simle reason. first of all schulich is different from york.Contract faculty members are very less in schulich. It actually leaves me surprised at the fact that classes were even canceled for BBA and iBBA at the first place.

    And secondly, the management of schulich is different although the governing authority is the york senate. They have their own time table and starting of classes.

    But york does not have this privilege of many courses being taught by tenured profs and its dependance on T. A work is too much that it is impossible for the YUFA members alone to take up all their work themselves. So we have to wait until this gets resolved.

    Anyways, i saw this article online which says that Mcguinty rejected the opposition party’s call for BTWL. i am posting the link. Juct check the fourth paragraph from the last.

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/Business/more+shot+York+University+union/1203250/story.html

    I do not know what might our fate be if this mediation also fails. Already one mediator had been mediating these two IDIOTS who called off the negotiations once he felt that there was no scope for solution. I do not know where in this context, the new mediator will find some areas for movement. Literally both the parties are stubborn with their own stand points. Lst us wait and watch

  168. BEYOND PISSED!

    well the Intl students at Schulich and those planning to go on exchange were allowed to go back. right, or was that also a rumour? so i wouldn’t be surprised. not sure what makes them so special..perhaps sponsors or for the sake of their reputation. or maybe they rely less on cupe members?

  169. FUCK YAAAA

    i think that the reason y schulich is starting is because of the international students coming to schulich from other countries….dean horvath has worked hard to build conecctions with all the shools abroad and now they are losing credibility. i heard that from the 120 international students we were supposed to get, only 80 will be coming…thus schulich is alreday suffering

    york cant afford to loose schulich…its their pride…

  170. ram

    please do not mind the typos in my comment. “simple reason”

  171. FUCK YAAAA

    same with mine

  172. yorkiee101

    OOOOOK WOW. DUMB STRIKE . LIKEE STOP ALREADY .
    whats nexttt ?! theres was a meeting this morning wasn’t there? when can we expect to hear news of when we will start?
    sryr if someone answered.. cnt be bothered to read all the above

  173. Commuter

    @ 4WeeksFromGraduating

    I’m an Atkinson student but in an arts program, and cross-listed Arts courses. I’m thankful for the faculty merger… it was an accident I applied to Atkinson 🙂

    Anyways, all my courses are Arts, so…

  174. Oh my

    wt…schulich have classes next week?
    what about us?

  175. R

    http://www.yorku.ca/ylife/index.asp?Article=953

    atkinson students are going back on monday tooo!!!

  176. R

    enate Executive approvals of classes: More than 5,000 students in four separate areas will be able to resume classes on Monday, Jan. 26 under decisions made by the Executive Committee of York’s Senate. They are:

    * students in the School of Administrative Studies in the Atkinson Faculty of Liberal & Professional Studies;
    * undergraduates in the Schulich School of Business;
    * students in the Faculty of Education’s Pre-Service Full Time Consecutive Program, for which the Ontario Teachers’ Federation has lifted its suspension of practica;
    * students in the Master of Public Policy, Administration & Law Program in Atkinson.

    http://www.yorku.ca/ylife/index.asp?Article=953

  177. YESSSS`

    SCHULICH IS BACK IN BUSINESS!!!!!!

  178. aksdfjakdsf

    Dear Schulich,

    Congratulations! Next time, get your act together sooner rather than waiting so long. We know how hard it is to be part of york, just don’t let that relationship become more parasitic than it already is.

    -Osgoode

  179. TRUTH

    York University is the leading interdisciplinary research and teaching university in Canada. York offers a modern, academic experience at the undergraduate and graduate level in Toronto, Canada’s most international city. The third largest university in the country, York is host to a dynamic academic community of 50,000 students and 7,000 faculty and staff, as well as more than 200,000 alumni worldwide. York’s 11 faculties and 26 research centres conduct ambitious, groundbreaking research that is interdisciplinary, cutting across traditional academic boundaries. This distinctive and collaborative approach is preparing students for the future and bringing fresh insights and solutions to real-world challenges. York University is an autonomous, not-for-profit corporation.

  180. how is this fair?

    well fuck why doesn’t york just shut down all other faculties/programs if they don’t mean shit to anyone?

  181. Yorkster

    Does anyone know when the “top” mediator is going to try settle things between the Union and York?

  182. R

    enate Executive approvals of classes: More than 5,000 students in four separate areas will be able to resume classes on Monday, Jan. 26 under decisions made by the Executive Committee of York’s Senate. They are:

    * students in the School of Administrative Studies in the Atkinson Faculty of Liberal & Professional Studies;
    * undergraduates in the Schulich School of Business;
    * students in the Faculty of Education’s Pre-Service Full Time Consecutive Program, for which the Ontario Teachers’ Federation has lifted its suspension of practica;
    * students in the Master of Public Policy, Administration & Law Program in Atkinson.

    http://www.yorku.ca/ylife/index.asp?Article=953

  183. 4th year curious

    This makes no sense. They say that students “may” go back, but those who choose not to will be protected…….
    so how is this gonna work???? What about the picketers? What about the exam schedule???

  184. Insider

    It seems that for the rest of the York (45000 students) the plan is to cancel the year and refund 30% of the tuition fees.

    It will be announced officially next week.

  185. Serge

    You’re not being fair. It’s not that the other faculties don’t mean anything to anyone. It’s that the other faculties are Cupied — Schulich, Osgoode, Atkinson aren’t.

    Not sure what happens when Atkinson and Arts merger, mind you. It’s possible that the forces of freedom will have lost one more faculty to Cupe.

  186. brutal

    @ insider

    your full of shit…

  187. Insider

    @ ram

    The new mediator will ONLY be there as the last try before cancelling the year. The idea is to give the impression that every legal way has been tried.

    This way York will be able to refund only part of the paid tuition fees.

    CUPE is already preparing to pay its members until the next year. Not much money but I think it will keep them going.

    By then, hopefully York will be at the negotiating table again.

    I really urge anyone who is worried about the year to transfer to another school or take some summer courses eslwhere until this is settled.

    Cheers

  188. Sad Student

    Can we please demand a pass/fail for our courses?I am in first year and want to apply to U of T for med school. However, im sure that my first year marks are going to suffer and really mess up my chance of getting into Med school. However, i just read on the U of T med site that courses that are just paass/fail can be used for the credit but it WILL NOT be used in my GPA. So i can still get my credit for my Calc class but the bad mark wont be into my GPA and i can start fresh next year. Can anyone else give me advice and anyone want to demand for pass/fail. I dont want my life to be ruined because of this strike. DEMAND PASS/FAIL

  189. R

    ok… i dont get this…. theyre saying that curtis lecture halls are locked and closed and all classes held there are cancelled…. does that mean that we are only returning to half of the classes??

  190. @SadStudent

    We already have a pass fail option. However, if you think that having multiple pass/fails on your transcript is not going to hurt your chances of getting into a Canadian med school you are nuts. If med school is really where you want to go, get off this damn board and start studying.

  191. yorkie

    @ Sad student, pass/afip options are frowned upon on bu grduate and professional schools, especially for core courses such as calc,c hem, bio, u might wanna look carefully into it

  192. Insider

    No classes for the rest of the York until at least Feb. 2 if York comes back to the table.

    Otherwise expect York to announce cancelling the year.

  193. yorkie

    plus which calc r u taking? i know that 1500 (i think that is one that i took) was full year, and the other calc course which is in 2 parts wud require u to pass both, therefore best chance u will be able to pick pass/fail on only teh first part

  194. brutal

    alright InSIDER is starting to rattle me a bit. How do you know this nonsense?? Enlighten us all Insider….

  195. Worried

    I just heard of CP24 that York and the mediator who has also invited the union will be meeting tomorrow at 9am.

    We need to get the remainder of the 45K students back on Monday.

  196. confused :s

    r da stedman and curtis lecture halls styll closed :s

  197. piece of the pie

    @ insider

    stop talking shit.

  198. student

    how is this fair… why are only some of the faculties going back..

    what about all of the other students???

  199. piece of the pie

    Even though I am now back, I still feel sorry for the rest of York.

    I promise when I go back monday I will punch as many CUPE clowns in the face as possible.

  200. Face of a Closer

    pass/fail
    that’s for people with bad marks already.

  201. ram

    @ insider
    You are right.
    came across this article where it says that the govt wants to exhaust all the possibilities before deciding on BTWL.
    SEcondly, it fears that If cupe fights against the legislation at the court, tthen the govt might lose that war.
    So this is REALLY the last option before any thing drastic / destructive(?) happens.

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5iN1onQfe7KBIOLesEdYdC_EwpFSQ

  202. 4th year curious

    there is no statement from York that would clarify how this is going to work…. What about the exma schedule?

  203. Insider

    @ Worried

    The meeting tomorrow will not be about the negotiation itself. It will only set time for future meetings. That is the case IF York decides to negotiate.

    The problem is, York has announced it will not change its official position. This was circulated via email to sveral employees today.

    Overall, there is a big shadow on future negotiations.

    @ brutal and piece of the pie

    You can call me what you want but I feel m responsibility to give the information I have. I hope at least some of the people appreciate this. I believe having some REAL information is better than being in darkness.

    Cheers

  204. BEYOND PISSED!

    @SadStudent,
    If you take a full load for each of the four years, UofT med will remove your worst four marks, no?

  205. Insider

    @ ram

    Thanks. I am just repeating what I heard/read today at York. Official news will be available.

  206. student

    i cant believe they are doing this..

    why dont they just keep all of the students out?? this is not fair to everyone else who is still overly screwed by this strike.. i hope these CUPE bastards rot in hell.. they dont deserve anythign they are asking for.. i hope they are forced back to work and dont get anything..
    they are bastards…. york should not give in to any demands… but fuckk.. i wanna go back to school..

  207. Has

    I think insider has a few points.

    Guys: isn’t it better to get as much as info we can instead of insulting people? duh

  208. Nice

    Thanks insider. Any (accurate) info is appreciated. And yours seems to be the most accurate.

  209. Fidel

    Oh, my comrade TRUTH is back. Where is my cigar?

    C’mon fetch it you capitalist bastards.

  210. M

    More than 5,000 students can return to class Monday
    Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009
    This toolkit is a compendium of news and links relating to the strike by Canadian Union of Public Employees Local 3903, which represents teaching assistants, contract faculty and graduate assistants at York University. The strike began on Nov. 6. For immediate information or to report picket line issues, call the Strike Hotline at 416-650-8420.

    Senate Executive approvals of classes: More than 5,000 students in four separate areas will be able to resume classes on Monday, Jan. 26 under decisions made by the Executive Committee of York’s Senate. They are:

    * students in the School of Administrative Studies in the Atkinson Faculty of Liberal & Professional Studies;
    * undergraduates in the Schulich School of Business;
    * students in the Faculty of Education’s Pre-Service Full Time Consecutive Program, for which the Ontario Teachers’ Federation has lifted its suspension of practica;
    * students in the Master of Public Policy, Administration & Law Program in Atkinson.

    Units involved have given undertakings that there will be no replacement of work done by CUPE 3903 instructors, and in the case of the Education students, that remediation will provide for the later resumption of courses taught by CUPE 3903 instructors.

    Students who choose not to participate in resumed classes will continue to receive the protections and accommodations set out in Senate legislation.

    For further infomation on Senate policies, see the York Secretariat Labour Disruption Information page

  211. Banjo Playing d00d

    CUPE doesn’t deserve anything. I don’t even need a university degree. I alreayd KNOW EVERYTHING. I PAYD $$$$$$ so that I could GET A JOB FIRING ASSHOLESE liek these. FUCK. I AM SO MAD, and ALSO RETARDED att the same time.

  212. M

    Note: “Students who choose not to participate in resumed classes will continue to receive the protections and accommodations set out in Senate legislation.”

  213. Insider

    @ Nice

    No problem.

    Today and tomorrow will be very critical. Meeting with the mediator on its own does not gaurantee anything.

    There were several attempts by the CUPE and media to communicate with York but all failed.

    The paperwork has begun in case cancelling the year/refunding fees become the last and only opetion (for York).

  214. MR Two

    …I still doubt York will cancel the year, but at this rate anything is possible with a douchebag like Mcguinty.

  215. student

    information is good.. but this is just bullshit.. either allow all of the students to go back or nobody

  216. BEYOND PISSED!

    ugh i was counting on summer school. now i have to spend an entire extra year at this blasted institution. i was trying to get out before 2010!!!!!!

  217. Oh my

    Atkinson/Schulich
    back to schoooool

  218. Just Another Yorker

    Insider, it would be greatly appreciated if you told us where you got your information from…

  219. TRUTH

    Please stop using my username to post insulting posts on this blog. I have never used the “F” word in my posts and unlike the capitalists monsters and tools in this blog, I don’t insult any individual so stop stealing my “username”. Is it really the last resort for you capitalists to silence the voice of truth?

    The truth is out there for everyone to see it. The massive brotherhood of TAs and students in solidarity is an evidence showing our power and strength. This is definitely scaring all these ultra right capitalists monster who are used to using other humans as a mean to survive their life. They can be no freedom and justice for others so they can continue living their lives at the expense of others. They are afraid this big movement and they know it is just a beginning. In 2010, the movement will go throughout all other universities and will not give up till this imperialist agenda of commercializing education is diminished. There is no giving up right now. CUPE will do its best along with students to cancel the school year and put even more pressure on York. It’s time for freedom loving people to come together and fight for justice, freedom, equality and fairness. It’s time to slap these ruthless capitalists in face and show them the meaning of brotherhood between our CUPE comrades

    Stop stealing my username as your posts carry nothing but more lies sponsored by the right wing imperialist monsters behind you. This tactic of saying hateful things in my name will not cover the truth

    Viva la Revolution
    Go CUPE Go

  220. Prospective Summer Students

    For those who were planning on taking courses this summer:

    I was planning on doing the same and was shitting my pants when Shoukri announced that those courses were in jeopardy (I need those courses to graduate). So a helpful registrar person at U of T turned me onto this site http://www.cvu-uvc.ca/

    It’s called Virtual University and you can browse potential courses that would go towards your major, offered through various universities. Once you pick the courses you would want, you ask York for a letter of permission that they would count towards your York degree. This is what I plan on doing. There seems to be a lot of good courses there.

  221. Just Another Yorker

    Prospective Summer students,

    thank you SO much for that!

  222. G

    @ Insider

    How do you know this information? About York cancelling the year and giving refunds of 30% if a deal is not reach soon? You said this will be announce next week. Could you tell us your source?

    Thanks.

  223. j

    @ Prospective Summer Students

    THANK YOU!

    🙂

  224. tripplanner

    so i’ve got another trip planned. if school starts back when im gone then tahts too bad. sue me for making plans. fail me for not sitting on my ass at home and waiting around for this strike to finish.

    chao!

  225. Insider

    @ G

    I know a bit because I am involved 😉 But I do want to respect my own privacy.

    I will provide all the information I can if my situation allows.

    Cheers

  226. @Insider

    If you are legit, which for some INSANE reason I think you just might be, can you give SOME kind of information in regards to how you know stuff?

    You seem to type of a level of maturity that is not found with the other trolls (ie. TRUTH) which leads me to believe you MIGHT not be spewing utter nonsense.

  227. Matt

    I want to know, in the Yfile it had mentioned that Atkinson will restart. I am confused because all of my professors are CUPE members and what does it mean, will we have some other professor teaching us. Also what kind of protection do we recieve should we not attend class? Please Clarify, Thank You

  228. Commuter

    @ Matt

    Not all Atkinson programs (ex. not HR or Poli Sci), just the couple business programs that YFile mentioned.

    Classes won’t be conducted (I don’t think) if they’re taught by CUPE members.

    I don’t know much else.

  229. B

    “students in the School of Administrative Studies in the Atkinson Faculty of Liberal & Professional Studies”

    If you are taking an admin studies course but are in a different school, does this mean your class is back on?

  230. ram

    @ Insider
    I acknowledge your information. But could you just tell me how soon the settlement has to be reached in order for the school year to be saved. your reply is awaited. Because by next sunday, we will have completed 88 days of strike.
    thanks.

  231. B

    As do I.

    You would think York would hurry up and release a list of courses that will resume on Monday.

  232. Matt

    Well I have ADMS 2400, MODR and NATS also I tried to email my ADMS 2400 prof and I am getting an Automatic Message. What does this mean?

  233. confused :s

    since stedman and curtis lecture halls are closed until the strike ends… will the lectures taking place there also resume once the strike ends or will they be taking place in another lecture hall

  234. R

    I AM Soooo Confused!!!! are we just returning to half the courses if curtis lecture hall and stedman halls are closed??? is there any professor around here who knows the updates on this issue??

  235. SumbanthHom

    DID YOU HEAR ABOUT ANOTHER CASE OF A CHINESE WOMAN DEAD OF DIRTY BIRD FLU IN THE LAND OF CHICKITY CHINA???

  236. LarryKingdom

    Um. Yes. I don’t know what you are saying. It’s actually pretty typical is it not..? =/ unfortunately that is…

  237. Basil El-Salviti

    Been working all day, and this was a headache to read….

    @ Insider

    Sources please, otherwise you’re just scaring students with false allegations.

  238. demarche

    @ basil et al.

    Insider/insider2 is a fake. Ignore him/her. I’ll repost from another thread, because this is just too disruptive:

    People, insider/insider2 is stringing you along. Do not believe a word that he/she says.

    e.g., “In the past few weeks, York has been keeping the faculty on their toes to be prepared for the courses in case strikes ends soon. Everytime, university pressured the faculty more to cut the course time.”

    That is utterly false.

    And only the absolute top level of York admin would have access to kind of information that he/she is claiming to have. Those people would not be posting it on a blog. Furthermore, you can tell from the way he/she writes that he/she is not an administrator at that level.

    Just ignore. He/she is a better troll than usually shows up here, e.g., mixing in an occasional, publicly available fact with the lies. But a troll just the same.

  239. I want to graduate

    @ curious

    The pink shirt guy is Terrence.

  240. For Truth…first of all, learn to spell. rivolution?
    Secondly, stop posting, find a new hobby, you’re not very good at this one.
    Thirdly, get a life! Who paid your university bill?? you or Mumsy?

  241. FOR "TRUTH"

    Hey truth, can you take it down a notch with your capitalist, right wing, political blah blah propaganda. You’re writing is freaking us all out and not to mention, not helping your cause. You sound nuts.

    AND!!! Stop lumping us students up with the CUPE. You keep assuming we are on your side. We are not. You want truth? … we are NOT! you’re on your own CUPE.

    – york (im not your side CUPE) student

  242. Hating Cupe

    @truth,
    che guevara was a dumb shit that was only good for creating revolutions, and died trying to make one. Heck, thats going to happen to CUPE! To hell with solidarity, because in this world, this ‘real world’, if your not a dog eating another dog, your going to miss out.

    We all know the dog that will be chewed and torn to shred. CUPE that is your future! Because, we the brillants minds of the future want our careers now! No need to wait! We paid!

    Just imagine if we waited 20 minutes for a Mcdonald meal to be served. What kind of ‘fast food restaurant’ is this? What’s the point of ‘fast’! Shit im in a hurry, and the reason i choose Mcdonalds was becuase its supposed to be fast!!!
    If i wanted to wait 20 min and pay more money for better service i would have gone to a ‘real’ restaurant! But no, i wait…….and I say to you; lets create a stampede and fight for what is ours! Forget that employee who is probably a stupid ass shit and is working at mcdonalds becuase s/he is mentally inept(i.e all those CUPE memebers) . S/He probably chose that job becuase its a step forward to working in a ‘real’ restaurant. (by the way, i heard mcdonald employees are the best paid in the that industry- more the reason to get better service)

    CUPE should learn their rightful place, in the back flipping burgers (i.e assignment), and giving us our menu’s (schedule’s) that we choose for the following year. (our combo) And York,(Mcdonald’s) should whip those well paid T.A.’s to meet our demands!!!!

    Becuase not only are we, the students, paying for an education, we are also paying for a service. Dalton Mcguinty should follow the tories and FORCE them back to work. The tories know exactly what to do, they have a stellar record for enforcing the ‘just’ and ‘fair’. They know how to make people work!!!

    I think those people that support CUPE are whacked, there concept of ‘fair’ and ‘just,’ is too nice. They dont know the real world!! we should help them understand…..we want our burgers(b.a’s) now. No need for revolutions!!! screw che guevara!!!

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