Inter-Union Update 8:30 PM, January 3rd

I have confirmed that this is a legitimate inter-union memo released earlier tonight. It is good news that they are talking – we may be back in class by the middle or end of this week. 

BARGAINING UPDATE JANUARY 3rd 8:30 PM

This afternoon we resolved some of the outstanding issues surrounding health and safety, Unit 3 grievance procedures, and the letters of intent in the Unit 1 and Unit 3 collective agreements concerning tuition indexation ~V this being one of the major gains from the 2000-2001 strike. We also communicated that we would accept some of the fund increases they proposed, that we’re holding our position in others, and altering our demands in more key areas. Our counter-proposals to their movement on funds issues are indicated in the attached document. We distributed a similar version to the employer. Today the employer put a total of approximately $232,000 on the table for funds. We have responded by reducing our demands for total funds by $256,850, while, we think, maintaining the key points where we want to develop more gains. We consider this to be a mutual sign that both parties are actually committed to bringing the negotiations closer together. Hopefully this is the beginning of more to come. We also stated that we would be willing to accept the fund protections language they’ve proposed, provided certain issues can be clarified. We also said that we would be okay with the list of funds that would be protected under erosion of our funds by membership growth. The fund protection language is included here. Article XX Fund Protection There will be no diminution in the per employee amount in the funds listed below during the term of this collective agreement as a result of an increase in the number of employees in the bargaining unit as at October 1, 2009 and October 1, 2010. The basis on which growth in the number of employees will be measured is the number of employees as of October 1, 2008. For example, if the per employee amount available is $10 based on 100 employees as of October 1, 2008, the fund will be supplemented by $100 in the second year of the Collective Agreement. If the number of employees is 90 as of October 1,2010, no supplement will be required and the fund will be $1000.The list of funds protected:

Childcare subsidies (Unit 1, 2, 3)
Professional Development Fund (Unit 1, 2, 3)
GA Bursary Fund (Unit 3)
UHIP Fund (based on number of international students in the Unit 1 and 3 bargaining units)
Graduate Student Bursary Fund (Unit 1)
Masters Bursary Fund (Unit 1)
PhD Completion Fund (Unit 1)
Research Grant Funds (Unit 2)
Conference Travel Fund (Unit 2)
Teaching Development Fund (Unit 2)

“We also communicated that we agree with a number of their counterproposals to health benefit improvements, (dental, vision, and paramedical services), but under the condition that we need to maintain the Extended Health Benefits (EHB)fund in order to be able to assist our members to cover greater necessities in health care costs, health emergencies, or the need to access services not covered by our health care plans. They have suggested that the cost of their proposed post-retirement benefits program would come from money saved from their proposed removal of the EHB fund ~V we reiterated that this is not an acceptable condition for us, and that we will be bargaining on these items as separate issues. We also discussed that there were a number of omissions and discrepancies in their recent documents, and indicated some small changes to their new proposal packages that we are continuing to review. We requested that they compile a list of what has in fact been agreed upon.

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  1. Soye

    uhhh. summarization please

  2. Chew Me Babe

    summarization prease…

  3. perspectum

    So their meeting for today is finished? Did they state when exactly they plan to meet again?

    How likely is it that it will be resolved and back to class in the next week or 2?

    its awful that we loose out on learning class core material because they want to condense the material, and yet we have to pay full tuition prices, and loose our prep reading week.

  4. Yushky

    so basically..things are moving along, but still kinda far apart..no school this week I’m thinking…

  5. J eff

    Can we please keep comments to a strictly fact based medium.
    No bs & speculation & proclamation.
    No freds (lies) either.

  6. Intl student

    Im kinda in deep shit coz I left the country and wont be back till the 18th…
    I can hand in essays and all but Im worried about the group presentations I have …

  7. ron

    so does that mean they will have further negotiations?

  8. Yushky

    ya this is all just speculation that we could be back in class…which i doubt this week…so unless there if proof, i’m gonna assume no school

  9. S Ras

    So basically, at the end of the day, students are the one still suffering for the gains of unions. Will CUPE reimburse students out the $$ they are negotiating?

  10. demarche

    Interesting, but moving a few tens of thousands of dollars either way is not much compared to the deeper issues that have been really been driving the strike, such as CUPE’s demand to convert *ten* contract lecturers *every year* to tenure-track professors, and *sixty-seven* contract lecturers to upgraded SRC appointments that would be practically tenured anyway (easy renewal every five years until retirement, sabbaticals, etc.). If York could have settled this two months ago for just that much cash, they would have done it without blinking.

    It’s nice that the two sides are back at the table, but much remains to be seen. Hopefully CUPE has realized that trying to swamp the university’s normal hiring process for research professors with local contract teachers is a complete deal breaker.

  11. Yorkie

    Speculations should be well revised educated guesses at best, which are very welcome. They give soem form of comfort instead of horrible paranoia. Look at what we have so far… what do you guys think?

  12. realistically i think we will be back to school the week of jan 12th so a week this monday

  13. Jordy-n

    Demarche brings up valid points about what is missing from this memo. However, it should be acknowledged that a bleeding-edge memo isn’t going to give a detailed analysis of everything that went down… I think we still need to be patient and see what is officially released. With both members at the table, less news means more talk.

  14. Intl student

    So does anyone know when the next negotiations will take place?

  15. Eugene

    Have there been any developments or discussion in regard to the length of the contract?

  16. I would say that’s a pretty good guess in terms of being in school by the end of this week since talks are continuing on to Sunday…

    And at this rate – my guess would be that they would reach an agreement either by tomorrow or latest Monday.

  17. flookie

    I think releasing this INTERNAL information goes against your “about” section on your blog:

    “This blog aims to provide a neutral atmosphere for discussions about the strike and serves as a medium for members to organise and define a voice for the undergraduate student population.”

    — posting internal CUPE memos is not neutral
    (if you want what CUPEs saying, why not put up their press release, posting internal information puts bargaining at risk and interferes in the process)

  18. MR Two

    I say another talk after the GMM this week, and then an agreement may be reached in time for early-mid next week.

  19. anon

    does everyone here remember what had happened at the last meeting…they meet for a couple of days and nothing…although this is a good sign mumore remains to be discusch sed on the table this memo is a good sign but lets be realistic…its taken two months and they have gotten nowhere are you telling me that all of a sudden everything will come down and they will reach an agreement…come on lets be a little more realistic…..

  20. AGREEMENT REACHED!!

    Go to toronto star website, it’s over finally! Class starts Tuesday!

    Phyew!

  21. Thomas

    Truthfully, although I’d love to be back in school as soon as possible, we have spent a considerable amount of time not covering the school curriculum; this means that every single day we spend not being in school – according to York U’s official statement on post-strike policy – exponentially decreases the amount of time we will be spending covering the schoolwork that we have been missing thus far. It is impossible to know what the specifics are, so honestly, nobody can say for sure that they are completely on top of their game, even if they’re working hard to keep up with the course timelines. All I know is that – when we go back – regular school-related stress will be multiplied tenfold and time will be a luxury that very few will be able to afford.

  22. CanCan

    At least we get official info… how crazy was the 300 post madness tonight on the other post? lol

  23. Cupe Doll

    Ok — warning — total speculation and nothing but speculation.

    anon wrote, “.. its taken two months and they have gotten nowhere are you telling me that all of a sudden everything will come down and they will reach an agreement…come on lets be a little more realistic…..”

    That might just be what happened. Jason noticed that none of the updates mention a 3rd year. And the inference s/he drew was that York capitulated a 2 year deal.

    So, think about it. York goes in and says, “Come on 3903, let’s bargain realistically, ok?”

    And 3903 says, “Check this out, York’s getting desperate!”

    But York says, “No, seriously, let’s get real. Tell you what. Will you get real if we give you the 2 year thing?”

    Then, 3903 says, “Uh.. really? That is, we mean, uh — YEAH!”

    Just speculating.

  24. Mike Oxbig

    Dolly Parton is probably right on that one

  25. anon

    i hear you CUPE doll however we still or at least i have not read anything which gives me the impression that a 2 year deal is in the works…dont you think that if this had happened that maybe it would have been explicitly stated in the update from the union? just my thought…i guess ill believe it when i see some official documentation

  26. anon

    and not for anything but why would York be in such a position as to feel that ok we have to give in to this two year deal…why hadnt they realize it last month y now all of a sudden if anything…these are jsut some of my curiosities as im a little pessimistic that anything is going to happen this time around as well

  27. jacky

    so does anyone know when we will be back like around? cause im still out of tonroto and i have to book my ticket =(

  28. anon

    can you lead me to believe otherwise cupe doll? i know you only know so much but any insightful information would be appreciated

  29. Cupe Doll

    That’s wise, anon. We’ll know soon enough.

  30. Jason

    but how reliable are these sources, on the cupe website, there is nothing updating us

  31. Yorkie

    So, any people speculate that Cupe will basically get everything they wanted in an offer so to speak, if they make York even more desperate than they already are? C’mon I need something that’ll let me get some sleep tonight!

  32. Cupe Doll

    At this point I don’t know any more than you do, anon. And if I hear anything not already published here I’ll pass it on right away. If I’m still awake.

  33. Yorkie

    I know that York has saved up quite a bit a money since the strike started too, but that shouldn’t make too much of a difference right? Since it won’t help them in the long run…

  34. Cupe Doll

    Yorkie, I think some in 3903 will certainly push in that direction. But there may be too many getting too sick of this strike.

    Come to thinking.. my position is really funny about that. I’ve been against our loco 3903 strike from day 1 — but if York capitulates itself all over the floor at my loco local’s feet? I’ll vote against it. I’ll vote to continue the damn strike.

    But that’s just me. I doubt many feel that way.

  35. anon

    just for clarification cupe doll dont think that i am bombarding you with questions or that i am attacking you…that is the exact opposite of what i want to do as though through this strike and coming onto this blog you are the only persons comments that ill actually spend time reading rather than skipping over the other posts….if you find out anything i think well all appreciate you sharing it with us…as for myself im out to bed for now tomorrow is another day…

  36. iphone

    i want to ask does anyone can tell me like around when will it end?
    cause im still out of town an di have to book the tickets back =(

  37. Yorkie

    @ Cupe Doll

    Thank you very much for your insight and I don’t blame you regarding if York capitulates, I would vote against it if I could. ^_~

    I’ll continue to search for updates too as long as my mind wonders about this. Everything you’re doing is well appreciated once again. ^^

  38. nooshin

    hey..
    i’m sorry but i’m getting pretty frustrated with the situation. I’m an international student here and my dad is giving millions to this university and what am i getting back? no education for almost 2 months now. i’m getting all stressed and so upset with all the bs going around. like seriously i dont even think York or the TA’s give a shyt about us.. i just want to go back to school. i’m so tired of spending days n months in Canada for nothing. It’s just a waste of time!!! This is so unfair to International students and those who are graduating this year. You guys are just heartless, sorry but as i mentioned before, i’m just frustrated and every time i read something is just plain “false hope” that i get..
    stop the talking, bring the actions up!

  39. york student

    just out of curiosity, the agreements mentioned in the update are they the main issues involving the strike? a lot of them seem to have to do with health care and i didn’t even know that health care was one of the big issues….i am just wondering.

  40. Cassie

    Daism, what is the link to the Toronto Star article that you said indicated the strike was over..can’t find anything – union and York are still at bargaining table today according to union website.

  41. JMac

    Normally in union negotiations they get the small stuff, or the stuff the 2 sides can agree upon, out of the way first i.e. health benefits. The big stuff, like wage increases and contract length would likely come at the end.

    And some people are skeptical that an agreement could be reached in a day or two but this is how this process works. They could be talking right now and by 4 am Monday morning everything COULD be ironed out. It’s not unrealistic.

  42. york student

    Dumb ass unions, how much more do you want to be paid? One day, TA’s will start to make 6 figures. I want to be a full time TA, next it will be the janitors (support staff) making 6 figures. It’s the union that is holding the students hostage.

  43. Kathy

    “I know that York has saved up quite a bit a money since the strike started too, but that shouldn’t make too much of a difference right? Since it won’t help them in the long run…”

    Yeah, the union says the same thing, that the university is saving money. But I don’t think they are.

    Instructors and TA’s are paid on a per-course basis – that’s why they gripe about only working 10 hours a week. But, when classes go back, they’ll still be working all of the hours anyway, just compressed into the remaining time. I doubt the TA’s especially are really losing any pay out of this, though I could be wrong.

  44. Frankie O'reilly AKA Boondock

    i decided to leave the country till the 20th cause this bullshit is just too much to take, if im not compensated for my tuition i better at least be given ample time to begin and finish any assignment that was due when i get back regardless how long school has been on, people have lives, jobs, etc not letting us know till the last minute is a real asshole move.

  45. darkknight

    so are we going to have school this week or next?
    im an international student
    i still need to book the ticket for my return please let me know soon

  46. demarche

    A notice just went up on the CUPE 3903 website, inviting CUPE members to show up at the negotiations today:

    http://www.cupe3903.tao.ca/

    This seems highly unusual to me, but I’d be interested to hear from anyone who has been involved in CUPE negotiations or any other labour negotiations before, on whether this often happens.

    I’m unsure whether this is no big deal, or some kind of weird, desperate pressure tactic. Doesn’t seem like a crowd of CUPE cheerleaders, inside or outside the actual bargaining room, is going to help things progress. And why now for the first time?

  47. Commuter

    @ demarche

    They’re always invited to show up. This is not anything new.

  48. demarche

    OK, thanks.

  49. ~V

    to daism

    do you have a link to the star page with this info? I can’t seem to find anything strike related dated the 3rd or 4th jan 2009

  50. H

    daism is not telling the truth there is no deal
    they even posted that they will be back to picketing lines on Monday.

    PLEASE DON’T GIVE US FALSE HOPE!

  51. new Canadian

    The CUPE website just put up an announcement for a pre-picket potluck tomorrow morning, which doesn’t seem too encouraging for our prospects of getting back to school soon.

  52. Commuter

    @ ~V

    Just more BS posted by people who want to trick us.

  53. ~V

    ah thanks, i held off on traveling over the holidays thinking the strike could end at any time, but now that our reading week is canceled I’m trying to plan to visit friends and family overseas this week. but its looking pretty sketchy.

  54. amanda

    they’re resuming talks today (Sunday) and CUPE’s next GMM is on Thursday evening.

  55. Gamma Ray

    @ v

    SAME BOAT EXACTLY

  56. Woot

    @daism

    An agreement has NOT been reached, hopefully its close to one but nothing is for certain.

  57. anonymous

    @DAISM: stop bein a jack*** dont post some stupid ass comment without providing a reference which states such things…many of us on this blog im sure are very paranoid about whats going to happen and we dont need stupid crap like that posted here

  58. Memento

    Monday Schedule: Welcome Back Events

    Pre-Picket Pancake and Potluck Party (PPPPP) at York Blvd. (Main Gate) at 9am

    *What:* Pre-Picket Pancake and Potluck Party (instead of picketing at 7am)
    *When:* Monday, January 5th, 9:00 AM
    *Where:* York Blvd. (Main Gate)

    Welcome back!

    As many of you know, we will be reopening our picket lines on Monday, January 5 2009 as we end the second month of our strike.

    That’s what is going on…Strike is still on, I guess.

  59. Memento

    It is posted on CUPE website

  60. Dale

    Considering the latest update on CUPE’s website is calling for a pre-picket breakfast of sorts tomorrow… it’s hard to stay optomistic that this will be resolved anytime soon. Already ready to go back to picketing? Or am I reading too much into that?

  61. york student

    not to play devil’s advocate but maybe they are celebrating victory.

  62. R

    Theyre still talking … even on sunday…. given on cp24…. something might be on the way… optimistic thinking!!

  63. anonymous

    dont get too optimistic R this happened last time remember

  64. anonymous

    @Dale – i am thinking the same way

  65. Cassie

    To anonymous – let’s keep the comments professional – the important thing is that the sides are still at the table

  66. anonymous

    @ Cassie – in terms of keeping the comments professional im guessing you are referring to my comment at daism – not be rude but i hate people posting bs on this site making comments that the strike is over which gets people paranoid

  67. Curious

    Any updates on whether or not an agreement will be made today?

    And if it is, doesn’t it first have to go through GMM and then a ratification vote, and thus school can start earliest this Thursday?

    Please let me know, I’m really stressed :p

  68. student

    I believe that strike was beneficial for York U in the past two months since University already charged us for the first semister without paying its workers for two months. And shortening the first semister from 1 month and 18 days to only 1 month if the school opens allows the University to save money since it only pays its workers for one month and not 1 months and 18 days. However the Univ is starts losing if it does not get our money for the second semister. Also the shortening of the winter semister again allows Univ to save money since it does not charge us less for each course but pays less money to the workers rather than paying them for 4 months. In this situation, it is only bad for students and the workers but beneficial for Univ.

  69. Cassie

    Anonymous – I appreciate your frustration about b/s but just think we need to keep a level head. We are all anxious for the strike to be over so sometimes people jump the gun if they hear something or maybe it is a misleading attempt. Even if it is not true there are other ways to get the point across especially in a public forum.

  70. j

    I don’t know how accurate they are, but this was in the Toronto Star today –

    “York University and the union representing its striking workers will be back at the bargaining table this morning after negotiations to end the nearly two-month-long strike broke up last night. CUPE 3903 and university officials were working with a mediator to hammer out an agreement to end the strike that has shut down campus since Nov. 6. If an agreement is reached, York students could resume classes tomorrow.”

    and my question about accuracy is concerning the statement that if a deal is reached we could go back to classes — tomorrow??

  71. j

    I don’t know how accurate they are, but this was in the Toronto Star today –

    “York University and the union representing its striking workers will be back at the bargaining table this morning after negotiations to end the nearly two-month-long strike broke up last night. CUPE 3903 and university officials were working with a mediator to hammer out an agreement to end the strike that has shut down campus since Nov. 6. If an agreement is reached, York students could resume classes tomorrow.”

    and my question about accuracy is concerning the statement that if a deal is reached we could go back to classes — tomorrow??

  72. Commuter

    @ j

    Wow, that’s a stupid article.

    Looks like author must have totally forgotten that:
    1) The deal must be taken to a GMM.
    2) A ratification vote must be held, which takes a day or two.
    3) We need at least 24 hours before the resumption of classes.

  73. york student

    my dad said that he heard the same thing on 680 news. WTH are these pple gettin their information from>!

  74. j

    okay, yah thats what I thought.

    the only people keeping us informed are giving false information, great – haha.

  75. Commuter

    Actually, can I have a link to the articles? I can’t seem to find what you said from an official source (not that I don’t believe you, which I do).

  76. On the CUPE website, they’re saying they want to picket on Monday. Does that mean they realize that a deal won’t be reached anytime soon or are they just doing that to intimidate York.

  77. j

    It was in the actual paper – just as one of those small margin articles.

    I typed in exactly what it said, other than it was titled, “YorkU., union resume talks today”

  78. Dale

    I find that the media has no idea what they are talking about in regards to this strike. They just look at York’s website and paraphrase the latest press release into a news article.

  79. Commuter

    @ vino

    They’re also having a pancake party tomorrow.

    @ j

    Ok, thanks… I usually thought all their articles are also online.

  80. j

    If they have a virtual paper (I know the National Post does that) it is on page A3.

    I have no idea how to navigate through online newspapers, which is why I’m still old school in actually receiving a delivery.

  81. things that make you go hmmmm.

    “could” is a powerful word, but meaningless in this context. The TS can say ‘could” but it is meaningless and unrealistic if you actually understand the process.

    The next steps are…
    1. Bargaining continues until they reach a tentative agreement.
    2. They announce that there is a tentative agreement reached between the parties ( that is an important part) and that there will be a union vote to ratify the agreement. When they make this announcement, stand by, because the assumption will be that it WILL be ratified and we will get back to classes. If an ‘offer’ is forced to be presented to the Union membership then that is another matter, and usually fails.
    3. At a GMM, they ratify the agreement with a ballot vote. Only union members with cards are allowed to attend these meetings. Note that there is already a GMM scheduled this week, and hopefully the parties will be working hard to be able to accomplish this in time for the meeting.
    4. Once the deal is ratified, then York can announce how it plans to return us to class. They will give us at least 24 hrs notice, but if you were paying attention in #2 above, as soon as BOTH PARTIES announce that they have reached a tentative agreement, you can start buying lunch meat again…

    Hope this helps clarify the process for some of you with little ‘hands-on’ experience in these matters. Lets get us all back to class soon!

  82. Mike Oxbig

    whats happening?????

  83. j

    thanks commuter & things!!

    this forum is so funny, we’ve all been talking with each other for 2 months and really have no idea who each other are (I’m sure with some exceptions).

    we should all have a celebration with our York Strike 2008 names on name tags, once this is all over, haha!

  84. yak

    Please advise if I should drive to York during the week or wait until next week. I only have Wed. 7th off to drive my son with all his stuff for rez. And God help those who try to stop me from entering. I wait for no one at a picket line.. I drive straight through..you are responsible for your injuries, unless it is too cold out and you sit inside all toasty..

  85. Mike Oxbig

    well then pretty much…if this deal HAS to go through this GMM meeting…then as of now we don’t have school until wednesday at the earliest probably…

    if they have the GMM meeting tomorrow and approve…i highly doubt we’d have school tuesday

  86. Commuter

    @ j

    Haha I love that idea. Just name the time and place.

  87. Mike Oxbig

    lol i’m sure if we had that party..all the ladies will be looking for who Mike Oxbig is…

  88. j

    you read my mind, Mike.

  89. Rolling my eyes

    Look at this from the CUPE strike website:

    “EXTRA POWER TO CHIMNEY STACK’S PICKET LINE

    In the second week of January our members in the Department of Social Work begin their placements. This picket line will need some help. They are asking for 15-25 new picketers on a regular basis. If you would like to volunteer to picket full time at Chimney Stacks, contact your picket captain. Picket captains from other lines, please bring this up with your picketers.”
    –CUPE website
    —————————————

    I guess they deserve to further their learning/careers and we do not.

  90. tester

    There WILL NOT be school tomorrow. CUPE will be picketing (and freezing 🙂 so undergraduate students need to unite and support our initiatives to end this strike. There is a hunger strike tomorrow….please come out and show your support.

  91. M

    Monday Schedule: Welcome Back Events

    Pre-Picket Pancake and Potluck Party (PPPPP) at York Blvd. (Main Gate) at 9am

    *What:* Pre-Picket Pancake and Potluck Party (instead of picketing at 7am)
    *When:* Monday, January 5th, 9:00 AM
    *Where:* York Blvd. (Main Gate)

    Welcome back!

    As many of you know, we will be reopening our picket lines on Monday, January 5 2009 as we end the second month of our strike.

    While lines are generally open at 7am each day, they will not open until 9:30am.

    Instead, we would like to invite members to join us for a pre-picket pancake and potluck party at 9am at York Blvd to kick off the new year. The Union will provide the pancakes and coffee, and we ask that members contribute anything they can to share with friends. After the delicious breakfast, picketers will be encouraged to stay for the rally (see #2 below), after which we will be able to go set up at our respective lines.

    We hope that everyone has had a safe and restful holiday, and we look forward to seeing you all out on the lines again this week!

    All power to the picket lines!

    – CUPE 3903 Executive Committee & Strike Committee

  92. Yorkie

    They’re honestly still going through with the hunger strike thing? If everyone already knows that the two parties don’t give about undergrads, what gives people the idea that they care now?

  93. Yorkie

    Only one thing speaks: money, not hungry undergrads.

  94. Guess Who

    This reminds of how people got excited when CUPE made some changes on their demands. What came off it? Nothing.

    I’m not too optimistic about these meetings either. The road to recovery is a slow process.

    People assuming being back to class within 2 days is just too big an assumption.

  95. h

    ok so I think we will probably be back by end of this week or by next week latest (don’t quote me on this its not official … just what I expect to happen)

    apparently the union met with the university for about 12 hours yesterday and plan to do the same today; if things still are not completely resolved they will continue the meeting on Monday (most probable thing to happen).

    well this is what the update on CP24 said today this morning as the meeting was going on at the Holiday Inn

  96. york student

    if there are any union members with info/updates, please do share

  97. Andrew

    It would be nice at least if they would give us a weekend to get back to school. Though I hate sitting out, in the odd chance something gets signed today, I don’t think I’ll be able to get back to Toronto till the weekend unless I get lucky.

    I would suggest to those though wanting to know when to get back, I’d soon get back soon. I am going back next weekend, mostly to pick up OSAP and make sure my apartment is still there, but also because I do see an end to this (not this week) and I don’t want to be rushing around.

  98. Yorkie

    So how long will today’s meeting go on for? Could it potentially go on til say 11 o’clock tonight, earlier?

  99. Paul Li

    Hi guys,

    I’m a York TA, some of you physics students might recognize me. Anyways, I’ve been visiting this page for a while and I wanted to say…..I don’t know where you’re getting this information from, but there is still a wide gap between CUPE and the university, CUPE is already preparing (at least at the upper level) the continuation of the strike and they’re already discussing it going for longer than the previous strike. They’re pretty serious about this, and they’re saying that it’s unlikely for school to resume in January at all. CUPE is trying to give as much problems to the university as possible to “send a message” and of course that will be bad for all parties.

  100. Commuter

    I wish the news media would stop posting reports riddled with inaccuracies. Here goes CTV posting that the negotiations today are in hopes of restarting classes tomorrow.

    —————

    York University officials are back at the bargaining table for the second day in a row in an effort to put an end to a strike that has pushed 50,000 students out of their classes for nearly two months.

    A mediator brought the two sides back into negotiations Saturday where talks continued for 12 hours. The hope is to have classes reinstated by Monday, Jan. 5.

    Students have been out of school since Nov. 6, when 3,400 contract employees and teaching assistants walked off the job.

    If a deal is reached, the Reading Week break would be cancelled and the semesters would be compressed. It will also take 13 additional classes to make up for the lost days.

    The university has suggested from the start that the two sides enter into binding arbitration to reach a deal.

    The union says it is fighting for job security for its contract employees as well as improved wages. It is also asking that benefits are restored to 2005 levels.

    The university is offering a 9.25-per-cent wage increase over three years, while the union is believed to be seeking 11 per cent over two years.

    “We have done our work to revise our proposals and have been ready to meet for more than two weeks,” Graham Potts, lead negotiator for the union, said in a news release issued Tuesday.

    “We can only hope that the university’s negotiators have done the same kind of work and are ready to move toward a settlement.”

    The university said in a news release that the union must be prepared to “significantly modify its proposals to create a realistic basis for settlement.”

    —————

  101. The strike is OVER! School begins this Thurs!

    Go on yorku.ca (current students) for details

  102. Yorkie

    http://www.3903strike.ca/

    The union still seems threatened by government intervention even though their negociations seems to be going well. Does this mean that the talks aren’t going as well as they think they are? Or are they just preparing for the worst? Thoughts anyone?

  103. Yorkie

    @ daism

    Where the hell does it say this? Provide the exact link!

  104. Yorkie22

    From a CUPE newsletter sent to all members:

    “The threat of Provincial back to work legislation is now very real – a Queen’s Park leak tells us the Liberals are preparing the legislation and will not wait for a forced rat vote to recall the house. This is bad news for us and our contract and worse news for the collective bargaining rights of all public sector workers in Ontario. It would mean binding arbitration for us in the immediate and a precedent that a recession means public service/ sector workers lose our legal right to strike and bargain.”

  105. Nellyli

    Yes, Daism. Please provide the actual link, I am on the current studetns’ York website right now, but can’t find anything. Please…

  106. Worried

    I don’t see anywhere that the strike is over! POST THE LINK IF THIS IS TRUE

  107. Commuter

    TORONTO, January 4, 2009 — York University wishes to emphasize that it will not be commenting on the progress of negotiations between the University and CUPE 3903 while these negotiations are taking place.

    The reason for this is to protect the integrity of the negotiations process which is complex, delicate and highly iterative. It is not helpful to the negotiations process for details of the ongoing discussions to be published while the two parties are at the table.

    Secondly, contrary to recent media reports, any resumption of classes is governed by the University Senate and classes cannot resume until after a tentative settlement has been ratified by the Union’s general membership.

    Students should verify any media or blog speculation by checking http://www.yorku.ca. Details regarding Senate Executive academic remediation plans can be found at http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/Strike2008/Bulletin%206%20UPDATED.pdf.

  108. Yorkie

    @ daism

    I just checked the whole Yorku site, I don’t know how you ended up concluding this, the Cupe website doesn’t say anything either so I’m taking that post as a hoax.

  109. Mike Oxbig

    lol it’s very clear york has been reading sites like this that has been spewing false information…

    all the site is saying is that NOT TO LISTEN TO BLOG SITES

  110. asdf

    Negotiations continuing: a reminder and a correction to media reports

    TORONTO, January 4, 2009 — York University wishes to emphasize that it will not be commenting on the progress of negotiations between the University and CUPE 3903 while these negotiations are taking place.

    The reason for this is to protect the integrity of the negotiations process which is complex, delicate and highly iterative. It is not helpful to the negotiations process for details of the ongoing discussions to be published while the two parties are at the table.

    Secondly, contrary to recent media reports, any resumption of classes is governed by the University Senate and classes cannot resume until after a tentative settlement has been ratified by the Union’s general membership.

    Students should verify any media or blog speculation by checking http://www.yorku.ca. Details regarding Senate Executive academic remediation plans can be found at http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/Strike2008/Bulletin%206%20UPDATED.pdf.

  111. CanCan

    Lol wow daisy just made several of us have heart attacks… why does this always happen…?

  112. Commuter

    This is not the first time daisy has done this. Or Fred. Or whatever the name of the day is.

  113. Mike Oxbig

    probably most of us don’t want school to start until next monday

  114. CanCan

    i meant daism**

  115. Mike Oxbig

    i just read that senate report thing again..and this is what i get from it…

    nothing is allowed to be due within the first 5 days of class…so maybe they will cram is to have everything due on the 2nd class meet…

    we’ll have one week to finish everything…unless that changes…

    that’s bad news for students who didn’t do much over the break…

  116. Commuter

    @ Mike Oxbig

    I’m not so worried about the 2.5 week remediation period as much as I am about the compressed examination period for both semesters, as well as the compressed winter term.

  117. Yorkie

    God, heart attack doesn’t even come close to what I just felt. Stupid people… For a moment I totally forgot that the decision needs to be voted on, before anything happens.

  118. Yorkie

    1 week to finish everything? Are you serious? Is that even possible to cram everything into that amount of time?

  119. James Sheldon

    Daisy is what we in the internet lulz industry call a “troll.” Someone who purposely makes outrageous statements to elicit strong emotional responses for their own personal gratification. Can a psych major please comment on the mental state of said troll?

  120. Commuter

    I’m just wondering if they’ll try to cram in 3 weeks of missed lectures into 1 week, then expect us to be tested on it right after (even possibly the next day, if classes, say, end on a Wednesday and exams start on a Thursday).

  121. Cupe Doll

    Here’s some (unconfirmed) news. There is a rumour that if 3903 and York do not reach a deal within the next couple days, the Liberals are then re-convening to quickly pass back to work legislation. This puts tremendous pressure on 3903 to immediately get totally real. Maybe they will. But you can express your feelings about this strike and back to work legislation at the CP24 poll here: http://www.cp24.com

  122. Cassie

    Editor – York on strike – something seems wrong with the time of these postings – it is 4:06 pm on my computer.

  123. Yushky

    i thought the government was out until feb.? so until then back-to-work can’t happen correct? good news today is that they are still in negotiations…heres hoping….no matter what happens tonight or tomorrow we won’t be back until next monday….thats if they reach an agreement in the next day or 2…IF lol

  124. Mike Oxbig

    so cupe doll…in your educated estimated opinion…do you think we’ll be back in school this week?

    whats the absolute earliest you’d say? wednesday?

  125. @James Sheldon

    ……mental state…..really bored

  126. D

    I think a guestimate before tonight is pointless. After todays session we should have a better idea.

  127. Mike Oxbig

    well if no agreement is reached tonight..starting on a thursday is pointless…considering york is a ghost town on fridays apparently…

    i’m in my 3rd year…never have I stepped foot on york soil on a friday

  128. Commuter

    Here is the full report of what Cupe Doll was saying.

    —————

    Please circulate widely.

    To all 3903 members and allies:

    THIS IS AN URGENT APPEAL FOR ACTION!
    The threat of Provincial back to work legislation is now very real – a
    Queen’s Park leak tells us the Liberals are preparing the legislation
    and will not wait for a forced rat vote to recall the house. This is
    bad news for us and our contract and worse news for the collective
    bargaining rights of all public sector workers in Ontario. It would
    mean binding arbitration for us in the immediate and a precedent that
    a recession means public service/ sector workers lose our legal right
    to strike and bargain.

    Let’s mobilize on all fronts against this. All actions for Monday need
    to account for this new reality and shift messaging accordingly. See
    3903strike.ca for talking points and phone numbers/ emails at Queen’s
    Park to call and write to immediately.

    Also Please weigh in on today’s CP 24 poll question:
    Should the provincial government step in to force binding arbitration
    and end the York strike?
    VOTE NO at: http://www.cp24.com/

    Stay strong
    Punam

  129. j

    .. it’s been so long I don’t even remember if I have class on Fridays.

    @ Yushky

    The federal government has been prorogued but Dalton is still kicking around (I’m pretty sure?)

  130. Yorkie

    So it’s still possible to instate BTW Legislation? Whatever happened to no BTW until Februrary? So that’s why CUPE’s posting all that stuff about it now…

  131. Commuter

    @ Yorkie

    They could reconvene for an emergency session and pass it any time.

  132. Yorkie

    It’s the Liberals preparing this? I always thought it would be the conservatives… wow. Never thought they’d try this while they were negociating either. So does that men they already have the bill passed and are ready to put it into effect as soon as negociations fail, if they do?

  133. j

    also – they are talking about forcing binding arbitration, not back to work legislation.

    although, I admit I have no idea if/what the difference is.

  134. Yushky

    i can’t see them enacting it now…maybe if talks break off after today, but if talks continue past today or say they agree to meet again soon after today, back 2 work or whatever wont happen

  135. Commuter

    @ Yorkie

    It would have to be the Liberals… they’re in power, and Dalton would have to be the one to reconvene the Legislature (I think).

    @ j

    Back-to-work legislation happens, which forces them into binding arbitration and sends everybody back to work/school right away.

    Hopefully they’d still give us 24 hours notice.

  136. j

    oh – the binding arbitration is the 3rd party mediator coming in and deciding everything.. I suddenly remembered the “force negotiation, not arbitration” chants.

  137. Commuter

    @ Yushky

    I agree… if talks break down again, then they should legislate them back to work. But not now, when they’re actually (finally) negotiating.

    I don’t want another strike in THREE years when I’m trying to graduate (which is probably what would happen if CUPE gets pissed off from not being able to negotiate their contract).

  138. Cupe Doll

    3903 is telling all membership to go vote against back to work legislation @ the CP24 poll here: http://www.cp24.com

    So I thought, hey! Shouldn’t students get their say in this poll? Not that it will influence the legislation, probably.. but who knows.

  139. Aaron

    I’ve never posted here, but I just have to say that I have no sympathy at all for CUPE by now. I supported their strike at first, but now I’m exhilarated at the prospect of back to work legislation.

    I’ve had enough of their ideological struggle. The undergrads have gone unnoticed while they try to prove a point, and I couldn’t care less about them now. I want back in class, and if this is the only way to achieve that, then I support it.

  140. Commuter

    Cupe Doll, would they only do the legislation if talks break down, or even if they’re still negotiating?

  141. Undergrad 1

    @ Cupe Doll

    Dear Cupe Doll and York Strike 2008 members,

    Just like to officially invite you to also post, if you would like, on The York Anti-Strike site:

    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=6701&post=29094&uid=44571865743#/group.php?gid=44571865743

    Cupe Doll, you write from an important perspective students don’t often hear and is thus much valued by members of our site.

    York Strike members, over the next few days, there will be lot of media coverage coming from oue Mods. We would be happy to have any of the great insights this group has been posting to be also posted to the anti-strike site.

    Hope to see you there.

  142. Yorkie

    Yea, I’ve already voted against it. I can only hope it makes difference, especially since the negociating process is already underway.

  143. Undergrad

    btw legislation is the best thing that can happen for undergrads, we all go back to school, and CUPE doesn’t get any of their demands.

    Vote yes on CP24.com

  144. Cupe Doll

    Can’t answer that, Commuter. Don’t know. Sounds like it’ll happen if 3903 doesn’t get real — and fast. Might even happen because we in 3903 been so impossible to deal with. So, could back to work get drafted if there’s no deal in the next 48 hours? No telling — everyone’s speculating.

    Will we in 3903 get real, though? I still don’t think so. Why not? Well, if you really want to know, check my loooooooooong post here: https://yorkstrike2008.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/breaking-news-york-u-union-ready-to-negotiate/#comments — it’s the last of all 395 comments 🙂

  145. D

    Ive been watching the CP24 poll, and the margin between Yes and No has been ever shrinking 😛

  146. Yushky

    it’s just a viewer a poll…it has no say on what will happen one way or another!

  147. D

    Oh I know, but I find it interesting nonetheless.

  148. Yushky

    yeah interesting true…lol..i voted NO…i still have some HW to do believe it or not lol

  149. Aaron

    I’m all for workers’ rights, but I don’t support ideologues on either side of the political spectrum. CUPE compromised our education with this strike. All I care about now is getting back to class.

    It makes you wonder, though; are we just looking at yet another strike in the near future? It seems like York is always poised on instability.

  150. Commuter

    @ Cupe Doll

    If the strikers are legislated back to work, will your “loco local” (I use your term because I agree) not hesitate one bit to strike when a 3 year contract expires?

  151. Guess Who

    ^ I voted no too. 😛

    I’m enjoyed the extended break with family here and don’t want to get back to Canada anytime soon.

  152. Ivana Humpalot

    Are there any updates on the progress made today during the negociations.

    I really hope they’re getting closer to coming to an agreement, which hopefully will ensure that another strike will not take place in 2/3 years.

    If anybody has any new information… PLEASE share.

  153. Mike Oxbig

    lol yeah i’ve seen the same thing too…ever since cupe doll and friends has been spreading the news…i swear it was low 30% for the no side before…

    now it’s…41%..the yes side hasn’t moved much…

    i say a deal should be done from both sides…nothing forced…forced anything just seems like it will back fire at any time..whether its weeks, months, a couple years down the road

  154. Commuter

    @ Mike Oxbig

    Completely agree.

  155. Cupe Doll

    @Commuter

    Any local’s entitled to strike when in a legal position to do so. Doesn’t matter how “loco”. But sometimes, too many innocents victims get held hostage. Like.. you know.. York students.

    All back to work legislation will do is ensure this academic year gets saved. Not from getting ruined — since it’s already ruined academically. It’ll just save the academic year doesn’t get entirely lost.

    As for 3 years from now? I suspect York’s already capitulated a 2 year contract to 3903. Look for my “loco local” to really go crazy in 2010.

  156. random

    just watched the video posted on cp24 website, the reporter said that queen’s park does NOT want to get involved…..im confused

    link: the video is on the top right
    http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20090104/090104_york/20090104/?hub=CP24Home

  157. Commuter

    @ Cupe Doll

    So if they have already capitulated on the length of the contract, does this mean that binding arbitration can’t change that?

  158. j

    I’m really stoked on being a 2009 graduate.

  159. Yorkie

    I’m also quite against binding arbitration/legislation, etc. I DO NOT want another strike a couple years down the road, me being a 2nd year undergrad. Get it sorted NOW and let’s settle this.

  160. Anon1

    Hey check out this link. Confirmed my notions that we will not be back this week…

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/Talks+resume+class+cancelling+strike+York/1141175/story.html

  161. caitron

    i just received an e-mail from one of my professors with the subject line “no classes for at least a while”. but he only attached the recent bulletin from york about corrections/reminders, etc. that said, i think cupe doll might be right that 3903 is feeling the pressure of possible btw legislation from the ontario government. on their website they’re telling people to vote no in CP24’s poll (as others noted), and also listing reasons why btw legislation is a bad idea (basically why it’s unethical in terms of workers’ rights). if they weren’t worried, why would they bother posting this info?

  162. ABC, It's easy as...3903

    @ Cupe Doll or others:

    What would you imagine is the practical earliest we get to classes here? With the ratifications votes – tw rounds, I imagine next week Monday?

  163. ABC, It's easy as...3903

    just watched the video posted on cp24 website, the reporter said that queen’s park does NOT want to get involved…..im confused

    The two are not exactly mutually excusive. I highly doubt the Liberals WANT to get involved. However, they have to gauge the political risks of action against those of inaction.

    As Unions, well, vote, and you know, young people generally have big mouths by stay far away from the ballot box…

  164. Austin Vigliano

    GREAT NEWS!!! My Dad is one of the main negotiators for the universities side. He just texted me and said we are going back Thursday!

  165. people get a life

    too much bs out there – especially on this site

  166. SARA

    @ cassie..ur right..when i look at this page’s latest comment, the time says 12:08 pm while my time is 6:38 pm..

    i have always wondered y this happens

  167. Cupe Doll

    @Undergrad 1: “Just like to officially invite you to also post, if you would like, on The York Anti-Strike site”

    Thanks Undergrad 1 — but it’s taking more time than I got posting here. However, if there’s anything I post here you’d like to reproduce @ your site, feel totally free to copy here and paste there.

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  169. sick and tired

    I AM SO FUKING TIRED OF THIS FUKING CUPE AND YORK U … MC GUINTY Should REALLLLLLLY! step in now
    cant take this shit anymore i want my fuking money back

  170. York Student

    i want my motherfuckin money back. piece of shit york. i should’ve went went somewhere else then to this shit hole school.

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