Answers to your questions

Good morning everyone. I have been receiving a flurry of emails from many of you asking all sorts of questions. So instead of replying email by email I thought I would just reply as a new post. I will exclude your identities so no worries. Here are two that are very representative of the questions I have been receiving.  

 

 

Hello,

 

I was just inquiring about a possibility to terminate the year. Will this happen after a certain date or is it illegal/impossible to not finish the year? I am just wanting to know If we will be guaranteed our credits.

 

Thank you

Disgruntled York Student

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Hi, 

I’m just curious what this strike will mean for the remainder of our fall term classes. What, in the worst case scenario, will happen if strike goes on for longer than intended?
Longer than intended, meaning if no agreement is reached during the month of January 2009.

Also, what will it mean for full year classes? I’ve been told if the strike continues for much longer, the complete fall term would be canceled (I do not know how credible this information is). If this happens, does that mean we will also have to repeat the full year classes we are currently taking?

Thanks,

 

I will start by saying that the University will cancel a term or the year when pigs fly. York would kidnap U of T’s teaching faculty before they would refund tuition and other income from 50,000 people. That is just not feasible. The University has not stated any release with the words “cancel”, “term” and “year” in the same sentence. I have not been able to find the exact number of days that the Senate may cancel classes, but like I said the University would exhaust every other option before they would even consider. We are very far from that scenario as of now. If you consider that (see below under What sessional date changes have been authorized to date?) the University will only require a “maximum additional 13 days” of re-mediation for fall term classes and the exam period will be compressed from 18 to 12 days. So we don’t have to make up that much time to finish the fall term. Given this information, the fall term, the winter term or the entire year will most certainly not be cancelled. 

“Longer than intended, meaning if no agreement is reached during the month of January 2009”

If you step back and review the situation, the options are slim. An agreement reached by negotiations will most likely not happen. The Union BT and Executive are living in the clouds if they think a 20%+ compensation increase over 2 year years is going to fly. They are,  as per their own words “fighting the battle against neoliberalism,” or something to that effect. It is is obvious that they are more concerned with disruption of the University than they are with settling a decent contract with the University, because if they were, they would pull their heads out of the clouds and at least throw some realistic numbers on the table. I am saying this as non partisan as possible, such a demand of compensation increase is fantastically impossible and there are very few examples of similar settlements. What does this mean?

Most Union members realise this. Go out and talk to some on the picket line. They know that the University will never settle for such a large compensation package and that the Union should have reduced their demands to workable figures. The members that are most acutely effected are Unit 2 members and this will be the great exploit of the University. If you consider that CUPE 3903 represents such a broad spectrum of people, but such a virtue quickly becomes its greatest weakness. Unit 2 members are post-doctorate faculty. That is, they are the Professors and Sessional Lectures. These people are farther along in life, have houses and sometimes dependent family members. For them, the $200 a week or so is not nearly sufficient for them to make ends meet with the expenses that amount in your later years. On the other hand, there are the many TA’s, GA’s and RA’s who are generally much younger (masters and PhD students) and of course have lesser expenses. For these members $200 a week is more feasible. What this boils down to is that a large portion (Unit 2) of the Union members cannot continue like this and require that the strike be over. I am not drawing any black and white lines here, but the demographic division within the Union is evident. How will the University exploit this?

Two words: forced ratification. The University and the Union both get one opportunity (I believe only one, I stand to be corrected) to force a ratification vote onto the respective members of the two organisations. That means, the University can call a forced ratification and the Union would have to call a GMM and present the University’s offer. The GMM would then vote to accept or reject the offer. It effectively by passes the bargaining team and presents the offer to the members directly. I am confident that most, and certainly Unit 2 members will accept this. The University will probably wait until it is -20 degrees outside and the wind and snow are blowing very hard to offer this opportunity for a cease fire.

So to answer and offer some prediction to the future of this strike, I believe that a forced ratification by the University will end this strike. This is entirely speculation, although educated, and as such do not take my words for truth. No one knows what exactly will happen in the coming weeks, but this outcome is the most expectable I would offer.

 

Here is some information taken from the Senate website: 

 

When will fall term classes resume and how much notice will we get?
Fall term classes will resume as soon as possible following the end of the strike. There will be 
at least 24 hours notice between Senate Executive’s declaration of an end to the disruption and the resumption of classes. The amount of lead time depends on such factors as back-to-work protocols for employees now on strike and the day of the week when the disruption concludes. (top)


Will classes resume on Jan. 5, 2009?
Unless there is a ratified settlement by Jan. 3, 2009, it will not be possible to resume suspended classes on Monday, Jan. 5, 2009. Class schedules for courses that have not been suspended or have been authorized for remediation by Senate Executive are available through the applicable Faculty. (top)


What sessional date changes have been authorized to date?
The completion of courses will be facilitated by the following changes to sessional dates: 

  • The fall term will have a maximum additional 13 days of instruction for courses that meet Mondays to Fridays.
  • These classes will bring the total number of class meets for these courses to the equivalent of 11 weeks. There will be commensurate adjustments for courses that meet on weekends or are delivered in other modes. Depending on the timing of the resumption, it may be necessary to schedule classes on days of the week when they are not normally held (that is, on “virtual” days of the week whereby, for example, a Friday class might meet on a Monday).
  • The formal fall term examination schedule will be compressed from18 days to 12 days.
  • The reading week originally scheduled for Feb. 16-20, 2009 iscancelled.
  • The winter term will have a maximum of 55 days of instruction and a compressed examination schedule of 12 days.
  • The final day by which to drop a fall term class without receiving a grade has been deferred until after the conclusion of the disruption.  Other specific deadlines will be adjusted to reflect revised schedules after the conclusion of the disruption.

 

Will student evaluations still be conducted?
Senate has mandated evaluations by students for all courses. However, for the Fall 2008 Term, course evaluations will be optional and will be conducted at the discretion of the course instructor. (top)

 

Cheers everyone and be careful driving or walking in this dangerous weather.

 

YorkStrike2008 


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  1. Another student

    Thanks for the info – much appreciated!

  2. Ridculous

    Nice post and I agree with it! Especially, with Cupe’s ideology…it seems I can’t get a break from this strike while watching the tv listings channel I see a CUPE commercial. Yes, they have a TV commercial with domino’s containing people who are putting up their hand to stop the tide against privatization. ~sigh~ I so need break I worked late yesterday, woke up early, and now I can’t even catch a break watching tv!

    LOL on careful driving or walking in this dangerous weather. I am watching it careful and hope it is okay to drive to work later.

  3. F-Ed Up

    Thanks!

    To anyone out there wondering about the credibility of these answers, I’ve heard basically the same things in the last couple days from several profs, some of whom are also CUPE members, and some of whom are involved in some manner with the “remediation” plans and scenarios being developed in our faculty. Many of them have also been around for a long time, seen many-a-strike at many-an-institution, etc.

  4. R

    @ YorkStrike2008

    “The winter term will have a maximum of 55 days of instruction and a compressed examination schedule of 12 days.”

    I don’t get it… what does that exactly mean?? we’ll have a hardly 2 month long winter semester??

  5. P D

    Anyone know what the chances are of York implementing the Pass/Fail marking scheme are? I believe York used this same scheme in the strike of 2000/2001 so perhaps they may resort to this again?Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

  6. yorkstrike2008

    @R

    It means that the winter term will consist of 55 days of instruction (I assume that means 55 monday-friday days) and there will be a 12 day examination period. So all of your exams will fall into that 12 day period.

    You would have to subtract weekends on any calculation to come to a more accurate description I would think.

    Has anyone heard anything about the University offering pass/fail options for courses. 12 days is a short time to study for and have 5 exams (typically). That would certainly cramp my gpa.

  7. F-Ed Up

    R,

    I believe the math looks like this:

    55 days / 5-day week (Mon-Fri) = 11 weeks of instruction, which is the regular length of a Fall or Winter term. Minus reading week and plus the condensed exam schedule, it should work out to be a three-month term.

    Anyone please correct me if I’m wrong!

  8. yorkstrike2008

    @F-Ed Up

    That looks about right. We will have a much more hectic and intense year but we should end in fairly decent time.

    York gets out 1 week before most Universities does it not?

  9. ram

    @york strike 2008
    I agree with you on the issue of whether the school year would be lost or not. But how would you analyze the situation where the forced ratification itself gets rejected? Because on cupe website ( I think it was a last week post), it said that they will counsel all its members to reject the offer during forced ratification if the offer would not be some thing that they expected..

    If they really want to fight against this so called “Neo-liberalism”, then would they be ready to humiliate themselves by voting yes for an offer which they initially rejected? That would be a mockery by them of themselves.. How would you look at the situation where the forced ratification is a failure?

  10. F-Ed Up

    @Yorkstrike2008

    Not sure if we would usually get out earlier than anyone else… I didn’t do my undergrad here but yeah I think I remember my York friends getting out before me!

    From what my profs have said, they anticipated that the regular school year might be extended by about two weeks. I’m not sure if that jives with the math above, though. Assuming a return at the end of January, plus a couple weeks to finish Fall term, minus a week of “Reading” and about a week of exams, it might make sense…

    For us Ed-ies we’ve got a near 10-month year, so we’ve got a long year ahead of us anyhow.

  11. Andrew

    If we started back Jan 5th, I believe we would be done somewhere at the end of April, beginning of May. I went to Windsor, and York and Windsor run two different systems. For example, York would have been done Dec 3rd. Windsor (without their strike of course) is normally done somewhere in the ballpark of Dec 12th. Then exams. Smaller school mind you, but they still ran longer. Most of my friends in other schools are still in class when I am finished my exams.

    As far as ratification, the issue is timing. The school will do it when they know they can win. Much like when our Prime Minister calls an election. They wait till the polls tell them they can win and then call it. By January, Unit 2 is going to be broke, tired and cold. They will want this finished. It is the TA’s/GA’s who you need to watch for, as has been pointed out, they don’t need the money as much as the Unit 2’s do.

  12. theowne

    How about summer course? Will be they be affected? I have two credits I need that I pushed to the summer….

  13. Mike Oxbig

    will prof’s return emails if we ask them what they plan to do to our assignments and exams? and how they will change things up?

    i don’t even know whether or not to do assignments in some courses because i did well already…and if i have the option of keeping that grade without doing the next assignment…i would do that…and only write the exam

  14. Ridculous

    @ Mike Oxbig

    I recently did a petition that went to senate executive so the answer to your question is if your course director isn’t cupe 3903 then they will answer questions/concerns regarding assignments and tests and if your prof is cupe 3903 then you should direct your question to the associate dean of your faculty.

    http://www. yorku.ca /secretariat /Strike2008 /Bulletin%206%20UPDATED .pdf (spaces added to avoid post purgatory) I take this as an indirect answer to petition # 9 which asked for weekly e-mail or moodle contact from profs not exactly the same thing but better then nothing.

    I have a new updated petition that reflects what was addressed which yorkstike2008 will provide he has the time.

  15. F-Ed Up

    @ Mike,

    I’m in the same boat. I’m not doing anything… I figure that even if one of my profs insists on us handing in final assignments, there are only two scenarios: I do a crappy job now because I have no motivation/guidance/stimulation or I do a crappy job later because I’m rushing. But hopefully I’ll be able to keep my As without having to submit another item! I figure it’s only fair after dealing with the BS of this strike lol

    But I do know that they have to give people the option of handing in all remaining items on the syllabus. It’s likely that most profs will offer for students to take the marks they have on a ballooned mark breakdown or submit the remaining assignments under the existing mark breakdown on the original syllabus. I doubt many will enjoy marking all those final assignments while revising exams, conducting reviews, etc all in a couple weeks after returning to class, proctoring on a condensed exam schedule which will include weekends and late nights, etc.

  16. F-Ed Up

    @ Ridculous

    Looks like the spies found your petition! haha good work lol

  17. Cupe Doll

    @ram: “If they really want to fight against this so called “Neo-liberalism”, then would they be ready to humiliate themselves by voting yes for an offer which they initially rejected?”

    It would be totally humiliating. Of course 3903 doesn’t want to agree. 3903 is doing everything it can to make sure the ratification will fail. Not just at our website. Also by email and by regular mail. Likely also by telephone — though maybe we’re too disorganized this time for much phoning around.

    Yorkstrike 2008’s right, though. Unit2 are hurting way too much. Probably there’s nothing 3903 can do to keep unit2 from agreeing. So chances are high unit2 will cave to ratification just like last time. And if we do cave then everything will be alright for students. Well.. not really alright… Not in the least alright. But at least the academic year will get saved.

    If unit2 caves there will be eggs on everyone’s faces. On 3903’s because one of our units caving. On York’s because only one 3903 unit caved. So that’s actually the best possible scenario. Everyone gets a little humiliated but nobody gets humiliated totally. Within 2 more days York & 3903 will settle in a way that lets both save their faces from too much eggs. Then 3903 will declare complete victory (especially for caved-in unit2 — lol) and York admin will be quietly backslapping congratulating each other how they saved the day, the year and the whole university.

    Remember: that’s the best scenario. What’s the worst? Well — duh. Obviously. Nobody in 3903 caves. And it’s very late in January already. Less than a week before the academic year is lost to all.

    Is this at all likely? Honestly — I don’t know. I think last time the unit2 vote in favour/against ratification was 60/40. Can 3903 get unit2 to not cave this time around? Don’t think so. But here’s what 3903 will keep telling especially us unit2s in order to keep us from caving: “if we don’t cave then York will. Because while we in 3903 can afford to lose an academic year — York sure can’t. If we don’t cave, York will — and then we can finally get everything we ever dreamed of.”

    Like, you know.. (wait for it) the final eradication of “neo-liberalism” everywhere. Woo-hoo!

    Is it true York will cave if we don’t? Not sure. Maybe York’s just lying about getting caught up in some sort of recession or depression. Maybe recession or depression would actually be good for York. Maybe York does have the money to just capitulate everything 3903 asks. But even if it does — I still can’t see York capitulating. Because if York capitulates to 3903 radicals running it — that won’t be for just one year. Or until whatever happens in 2010. It’ll be for much longer — maybe forever. York’s reputation will get severely crushed. What student’s would even come to York anymore? How huge an enrollment hit would York take? How many unit2s would not get hired any longer?

    If no units in 3903 cave then either York capitulates to 3903 — or the academic year is lost. Could York afford not to capitulate — and lose the academic year? Could York afford to capitulate — and have its reputation, enrollment and economics get crushed for the foreseeable future? I bet not even York admin can answer these questions.

    But, if no 3903 units cave, these questions will have to get answered. And fast. There will only remain a few days — maybe a week? — before the school year is lost anyway.

  18. yorkstrike2008

    @Ram

    As I said previously, the majority of the Union members want this strike over. If you consider that only 22% of the Union actually voted at the strike vote and that was only a 75% vote in favour of strike. The majority of CUPE does not want this and certainly the majority does no subscribe to such radical positions as “fighting neoliberalism.”

    As far as I know, a move of forced ratification means that the vote goes directly to the membership at a GMM. The Executive or BT have no say other than their own votes.

  19. yorkstrike2008

    “Is it true York will cave if we don’t? Not sure. Maybe York’s just lying about getting caught up in some sort of recession or depression. Maybe recession or depression would actually be good for York. Maybe York does have the money to just capitulate everything 3903 asks. But even if it does — I still can’t see York capitulating. Because if York capitulates to 3903 radicals running it — that won’t be for just one year. Or until whatever happens in 2010. It’ll be for much longer — maybe forever. York’s reputation will get severely crushed. What student’s would even come to York anymore? How huge an enrollment hit would York take? How many unit2s would not get hired any longer”

    Like I said, York would kidnap U of T teaching faculty before they would lose an academic year. 😉
    So anything in between is fair game.

    At this point in time it is becoming extremely difficult to not become anti union. I do not support CUPE 3903 in any capacity, I think the executive are complete morons. I support the members. I support my TAs and my professors who do deserve betting conditions and compensation – I completely disagree with the strategies and the ideological intensity of 3903 at the top. It has grown on them like a cancer.

    I wish I could remind Graham Potts that socialism was attempted for most of the 20th century in Latin America and it never panned out. So get over it and move on. In the words of Henrique Cardoso, former President of Brasil, “The project is no longer building socialism, but perfecting capitalism.”

  20. Forced ratification votes tend to work best when there is a big stick behind them — in other words, something really bad will happen if you vote “no” (e.g., the company will go bankrupt and you will all lose your jobs).

    A forced ratification vote without a big stick will be pointless. The union will remind its members that this happened last time, and when they voted “no”, they secured additional concessions from the admin.

    So I expect we will hear a lot more about term cancellation in the new year, and there will be a forced rat vote in Februaryish, making it clear that a “no” vote would end the year, letting the chips fall where they may.

  21. BUT … I expect the admin to hedge their bets and secure a side deal with the government such that if the union votes “no” anyway, there will be back-to-work legislation.

  22. Mike Oxbig

    does the union think they are going to get more out of this if they grind it out until the end of january?

    yeah, york will kidnap uoft TA’s before they scrap the semester…but obviously there is a deadline somewhere…this strike can’t go until march or april…

  23. gg

    All I gotta say is:
    Today was
    SNOWMAGEDDON

  24. Fred

    Back to Work legislation will happen as early as February. I’m not sure if York is willing to wait this long….
    That would be a disaster for students

  25. Andrew

    Kind of interesting that the only people who continue to push this “year will be lost” bs, is CUPE people. Yet so far no one has actually been able to find anything that says “after 13 weeks, the school year is lost”.

    I’m fairly sure cupe unit2 would cave before then. It is one thing to go 2-3 months without getting any real paycheck, but going another 6-8 more; well, good luck.

  26. D

    Realistically, I don’t see them not caving. Everyone looks out for their best interest, and after weeks of striking getting a pay cheque, even if they have to conceede a few demands (which they may or may not even care for), suddenly doens’t see so bad.

    Think about it, if you have not had a normal paycheck in 8 weeks, will you really care about the payraise and maybe extra benefits? Not unless you have a nice amoutn set aside. Someone has to pay the bills.

    I think a nice ratification vote right after new years will bring the whole thing down, and we will be in class mid/late january.

  27. Imporant Note From OSAP

    Hey for those waiting on their OSAP second installment go to this link http://www.yorku.ca/osfs/osap_trackingdocs.shtml

    it was on the York website in case someone did not see it.

  28. Andrew

    Well once you go through a holiday season hurting for money, it will bring things around. One of my profs said before it all started that strikes get ugly because people tired, and start to wonder if it is even worth it, even more so when they have to use food banks to feed their families.

  29. Worried Union Member

    Forced ratification has a good chance of succeeding. 3903 tells us (members) that we won the last strike by voting against the forced ratification, but they don’t admit that the contract faculty voted FOR the forced ratification vote. As a contract faculty member who voted last time I remember the outcome.

    A lot of Unit 2s are going to support a forced ratification vote AGAIN because we are tired and broke and appalled at what the strike will cost our students. I don’t believe the exec. when it says it’s fighting for Unit 2 job security. I don’t think the union knows how to do this.

    Also, if you look at the history of the collective agreements it doesn’t support 3903’s claim that York capitulated after the vote. An equal claim can be made that it was us that capitulated after realizing 1/3 of the membership was going back to work. Just look at the collective agreements. Unit 2s agreement has been eroded badly since the 1990s and this process worsened as a result of the last strike, when we lost the SRC program the union says it’s trying to get back. The problem is that we lost the SRC program BECAUSE of the last strike.

    Here’s a way a lot of members are starting to think about the strike. In economics there’s a concept called “sunk costs.” It refers to money, time, effort etc. invested in pursuing some goal or agenda THAT CANNOT BE RECOVERED. In business this usu. refers to R&D and other fixed investment costs. Good (rational) business decisions are made without regard to already sunk costs. Bad (irrational) decisions are made when a company can’t let go of unrecoverable losses because it thinks it has invested too much in them to let go. It’s like staying in a souring relationship just because you’ve put so much time into it.

    Here’s how sunk costs doctrine will play out for the rest of the strike. The radicals in the union don’t believe in sunk costs. They’ll keep pursuing the anti-neoliberalism agenda regardless how much its hurts us all. The exec and bargaining team will (irrationally) have trouble letting go of the sunk costs of the strike — all the time and money put into it so far. But a lot of members are thinking rationally about it as a sunk cost. For many of us, even people who supported the strike initially, it simply makes more sense now to ratify a settlement and get back to real life.

    That’s why there’s a good chance a forced ratification vote will succeed. We see the strike as an irrecoverable sunk cost.

  30. Andrew

    In other terms, you’re no longer getting a good Return on Investment to do this anymore. Shooting for the moon didn’t work, and basically what you could have had in November is what you will end up with, so is there any more point in doing thing. You’re not getting a good ROI.

    Problem is, TA/GA’s probably don’t care. They don’t have the costs a contract worker probably has, like a house and families. Some probably live at home, and don’t pay massive amounts of bills. They would rather keep it going because they may get a pay raise in a job they will have for then next few years. It’s like asking the kid at wal-mart, “hey, you’re not going to be doing this all your life, but if you go on strike for 11 weeks, you may get a chance at making $12/hr rather then $8.” Do you risk going out and not making the money, or be happy with what you have.

  31. Worried Union Member

    Well, the time, money, etc. put toward the strike never had much prospect of ROI, and has none at all now, but otherwise we’re pretty much in agreement.

    The problem is that when the strike ends, whether by forced ratification vote or capitulation by either party, we’re going to end up with something WORSE than we would’ve gotten had we just bargained all along.

    Unit 1 and 3s may be mainly younger and have fewer loads to carry, but a lot of them are tired of the strike as well. There’s only 2-300 people participating in the strike now which means 90% of the members have already turned their backs on it.

  32. longholiday

    hey,

    first off, thanks yorkstrike2008 for answering my question on the main post, really helped clarify where this school year’s heading.

    Just curious about the pass/fail option that I’ve heard so much about. How often has this been used by universities in the past? Is it likely York will allow this option to fly should the strike last longer than expected and/or forced ratification has not taken effect?

    Thanks.

  33. tester

    @Andrew,

    I see the prof you talked to made reference to using foodbanks.

    Firstly, CUPE members using foodbanks is the first sign of poverty I’ve heard of from this greedy union

    Secondly, I find it absolutely disgusting that they go on strike, and then use a foodbank, taking food that could/should feed someone who is really in poverty, not one who chooses poverty by going on strike in the name of greed.

  34. F-Ed Up

    @ tester

    You’re making a very problematic assumption: that the people who are reduced to using foodbanks because of this strike are the ones who are in full support of this strike. There are many who did not vote for this strike. There are many who would manage it differently so that it would be over by now, if they had the power to do so.

    While there may be a handful out there who fit that nice little closed-off prejudgment of yours, I sincerely doubt that this is the majority of people. There are other situations here. People are diverse and complex. Lives cannot be reduced to such simplistic terms. As our cheesy school website instructs: Consider every angle.

  35. tester

    @ F-Ed Up.

    Very good point. My pre-judgment was closed-off. I didn’t even think of those who didn’t vote for the strike. But they CHOSE not vote, and that CHOICE puts them at the food bank, potentially taking food from a family living LIFE in poverty, while they have only been poor since November 6th.

    To me, it seems unjust that the systems that support the truly poor can be abused by strikers. Maybe I should go to the food bank, so there is less for CUPE. I would, but ultimately that would take away from the poor and I cannot live with that on my shoulders.

  36. Worried Union Member

    F-Ed Up …. even if 3903 members did not vote to support the strike we are all responsible for it in some degree. Undergraduates on the other hand have no say and no control. At least we can choose to picket or not or go to a meeting or not. Tester … you’re quite right to point out that the strike is elective poverty.

    3903 organized a food drive a week back that collected food for a Toronto food bank and for on-campus GRADUATE students. The food collected was not collected for undergrads. Make of that what you will.

    Only 10% of 3903 members are involved in the strike now … maybe 300 people TOPS. The other 90% of us don’t believe in it anymore even if we voted in favor of it initially. I don’t want a forced rat vote but if it happens I’ll vote yes because I support this strike even less.

  37. F-Ed Up

    @ tester:

    I was referring more to those who voted “against” than those who abstained from voting.

    @ Worried Union Member

    As a former CUPE member at another institution who remembers what it was like to face a looming strike last year, I understand what you are saying. But because of that experience I also understand that there are those out there who are essentially forced to “take responsibility” for something which they were opposed to, and which an organization which they cannot opt-out of and which they pay dues to has forced them into.

    While I personally abstained from the strike vote by my union last year (I was completely uneducated on the issues, so at the time I felt that I should not vote), looking back I wish I’d gone in and voted “no”. While I was concerned with fighting for my contract-fac colleagues I was more concerned (rightly or wrongly) about my students. Luckily a strike was not necessary. If it had happened, though, I cannot imagine the ethical and moral frustration and personal problems which it would have caused me.

    So I have a bit of experience on both sides, and I am especially concerned with people on all sides (students, CUPE members, YUFA members, admin) who are suffering in any capacity due to this strike.

  38. KAZZA

    Hello all, I have a few questions that I was wondering if anyone has heard nything about. First what will happen to classes that met on Saturday? All I have read talks about mon-fri. Second why am I loosing class time, reading week and many other things that I have paid for over things that were not my fault. I need my teachers help getting ready however several of my teachers will not answer my e-mails??? Also I have 21 credits 7 classes this semester how do I write those exams in such a condensed time after so much time away from the class room?
    Is there anyone who can help me get in contact with someone at the school who can actually assist me. Right now everyone I talk to is either rude or hangs up on me. Oh and as for housing I am so done with them, they will not let me out of my contract and I have not had anything in my apartment since Nov 6th and I will not be going back.
    AHHHH

  39. Andrew

    As far as writing your exams, if you have any of the same day without I think 8 hours, you can have them moved. So I wouldn’t worry about that, as they will have a lot of issues and a lot of time to remake up tests.

    As for reading week, you (along with us all) are not getting it because it is a week in which they can make up classes without a delay. By the time we get back into school, do exams, we would be at reading week, so there is really no point in having it. If you have already planned a trip, I suggest you cancel it. Yeah it sucks, but shit happens. I don’t take trips during break, and I’d rather be in class then wasting another week off. So you got two sides to it.

    Everyone is going to be rude because they are tired. They probably get phone calls every day with pissed off people wanting/demanding things. The best thing is to just be nice with them, and they will come around. As for who to call, well I have no idea. Registar’s office, your dean or faculty.

  40. Mike Oxbig

    we just all need to love each other more

  41. Andrew

    Yeah well that isn’t going to happen.

  42. Bobert

    the pass/fail option during normal academic circumstances is used for elective courses not part of your major/minor I am presuming if the senate were to allow it for all courses, but if you’re trying to do well on a course in your major then why would you bother taking this option for something that can hurt you when applying to grade school? Choosing the Pass/Fail option for a course has no affect in GPA calculations

  43. Bobert

    correction Grad school (yorkstrike2008 please fix typo)

  44. Cincinnatus C.

    @ Worried Union Member: I’m pretty sure the SRC program actually ended with the 2002 collective agreement, which guaranteed that everyone in the pool would get one, but closed the pool to new people.

  45. Kita

    Hey!
    Honestly, this is the only site where I’m looking for up to date information.
    Much appreciated for all the information!

  46. KAZZA

    @Worried Union Member
    If you dont support the strike now what has changed since you voted to go on strike? is it to cold?, to long?, to many haters? whatever the reason union members should have thought of these things before they voted to strike. Unless there are real reasons that union members do not support the strike, this is your mess and it is up to your side to fix it. I am an undergrad student, I did nothing wrong and yet I will pay the price of the mess you and your members have made. I will loose class room time, teacher face time, and my sense of place at the school. The union did not close the school I know, but the union and its members knew the school would close if you voted to strike so please tell me why do you not support the strike any more?

  47. tester

    KAZZA – the union did not close the school, but they did walk off their jobs, abandoning their students.

    Don’t forget that.

  48. KAZZA

    Does anyone out there remember in the 70’s when legislation was passed so that unions were not allowed to ask for large increases or strike to help stop the rise in inflation??? Where is our government now?? oh thats right the one we have is on Christmas break! (and dont expect any help from our provincial government, they are Liberal and support the Unions openly)

  49. Basil El-Salviti

    @ Kazza

    Although we are all frustrated, you should tone down your rhetoric because ‘worried union member’ is a great contribution to this forum, so a little respect may be in order.

  50. Worried Union Member

    Cincinnatus, if you look at the collective agreements you see the language change in the 2000 agreement. The SRC pool was closed as a result of the strike when before it had been an open pool.

    Kazza, I agree with you. You as an undergrad didn’t do anything to cause this strike and now you’re paying for it. It’s totally true that it’s our (CUPE and York’s) responsibility to fix it. So don’t worry Basil … my feelings aren’t hurt and I think Kazza raises valid points.

    I didn’t support this strike from the beginning. I voted against it and have gone to a lot of the GMMs. The problem is that a lot of members won’t go to GMMS because the core group of ideologues are very abusive to people who question the strike. It’s even worse on the departmental listservs. Anyone who has an opinion that the strike might have been a mistake gets targets personally. I think a lot of members are waiting for a forced ratification vote. The problem is that the vote, if it happens, won’t be til the new year and then we’ll all be even further behind.

    Just an additional note … I don’t oppose unions or strikes in general. I supported and participated in the 2000 3903 strike and the faculty strike in 1997. I just think when people go on strike it should be for a good reason.

    When we do get back to regular life my advice is to demand accountability and quality in your education. Remember that a lot of your TAs and profs didn’t support the strike either. Make sure deadlines and assignments are fair. Make sure you don’t get penalized for any knowledge you lost because of the strike going on so long. And most of all … don’t give up on your education … even if 3903 has.

  51. Marj

    Beautifully written, you have given my undergrad a glimmer of positive…Thank you

  52. MWinds

    What about students who can’t afford for school to be extended? Do you think we will have the option of dropping the year with a refund? Or to have a credit on our account for next year? Will anyone be fighting for this?

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