Support the Petition (updated with ePetition)

Hey guys, a member of our community here has started a petition that she plans to deliver to the Senate Executive Meeting. She has worked very hard on it and if you can do nothing else, sign it. If you are feeling ambitious you can print it off and get lots of signatures, shoot me an email and I will arrange it so that the organiser of this petition can get your sheets ASAP. 

You can sign the online petition here: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/voice4us/petition.html

Please circulate it as much as possible. It only takes a few moments. 

 

The petition and an information sheet are linked here below:

modified-petition-1

student-resource-information-sheet-2

 

Please support one of our own trying to assert some leadership and power for us in these dreadful times.

 

Good night everyone

YorkStrike2008

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32 responses to “Support the Petition (updated with ePetition)

  1. hicrewComm

    Merry Christmas everybody

  2. ram

    I really appreciate the efforts of the member who has framed the petition. It deserves our support…But one thing i am not clear about is the December 16th senate executive meeting.. Nowhere in the university website did I see such a thing.. I am concerned because I would like to attend the meeting if at all it allows york community to attend the meeting..

  3. Ridculous

    Trying to get an on-line petition up and running hopefully by tomorrow morning.

    @ Ram the senate executive meeting isn’t part of their regular monthly schedule because I think they are meeting more often on account of the strike. I know of this meeting because when I went to the senate meeting the senate chair and secretary told me about it. Unfortunately, senate executive meetings aren’t open to the public like senate meetings.

  4. tester

    where is the 16th meeting? what time?

  5. nikgs

    yea i’d go too.

  6. Glendon

    I suggest you proofread this petition before submitting it. There are several spelling and grammatical errors.

  7. Ridculous

    The meeting seems to be in an undisclosed location but I am handing the petition to the secretary on Tuesdays morning. If she was willing to tell me where I will post it. The meeting is a 2pm.

    Cupe radicals shows up to senate meeting singing folk songs (they left before the meeting started) but they were very loud and overshadowed our undergraduate rally. So, I think they are afraid of telling people where it is.

    To avoid having my post in purgatory I am posting the url with spaces below attached to the colon:http://www.petitiononline.com/voice4us/petition.html

    So, PLEASE SIGN

  8. Tired

    We dont need no education.
    We dont need no thought control.
    No dark sarcasm in the classroom.

    LEAVE US ALONE!!!!!

    Im tired of CUPE!!!!

  9. Basil El-Salviti

    Under what conditions will the University determine whether students simply cannot make up the time to garner their credits?

    ” I do not believe we would allow things to reach that stage before making other arrangements for people to finish.”

    End. of. story. York simply can’t afford for the undergraduate student body NOT to complete their semesters/year. The previous question we asked the dean was whether or not we would be entitled to refunds under the condition that our year is written off, and he said under the hypothetical that “of course” we would be entitled to refunds. But look at what he said after….the year is unlikely to be written off BECAUSE they would try making OTHER arrangements for students to finish their year.

    So let’s get back to reality. This year will not be written off, York couldn’t afford to give us all our money back both financially and for their reputation.

  10. Glendon

    Apparently my comment did not post properly before. It says something about it “awaiting moderation”. So I’ll post again: I suggest you proofread your petition before submitting it to the Senate. It contains many spelling and grammatical errors.

  11. @Basil

    Where did you get that quote from?

  12. Another student

    They’re talking about York right now on CBC radio 1 (Rita Celli’s Ontario Today) (12:23 PM)

  13. Andrew

    Sorry guys, this is off topic, but … I came to campus today on the bus (as usual), and there were no picketers at The Pond Road. I just heard from a friend that there were no pickets on the north entrance to campus, but there definitely were pickets on the main gate.

    Hey CUPE, solidarity much? Are you guys taking this seriously or what?

  14. Cupe Doll

    @Basil El-Salviti

    Please indicate source of your quote. That undergrads will get refunded in event academic year is lost.

    But even if legitimately quoted. Just too hard to believe. If year is lost? Multiply 5000 (tuition) by 50000 (students). That’s two hundred fifty million. Round down to two hundred million. You honestly believe York either could or would shell that out? No way — you’re too obviously smart to believe that.

    And as for whether the year could be lost? More intriguing question is why you can’t believe it could.

    There’s real brinkmanship playing out between York and 3903. The forced ratification 3903’s holding its breath waiting for? It’ll come at 11th hour only. And if 3903 can just hold breath long enough the forced rat might fail. Then what? After the 11th hour ends?

    Basil, I’m not looking to stir panic. Just the contrary. Students totally have the power to ensure the year won’t be lost. As you know from participating, there’s a discussion @previous thread how students can take matters into their own hands. Are you against that? Students taking better hold of their own academic fate? After all the expletive irresponsibility of York and 3903? Why would you be against that?

  15. ram

    It is ok to believe at least for the present that the year would not be lost.. It is because york hopes that the forced ratification will be a life line for them to put an end to the strike.. I think york is still optimistic like they were in 2000-01 strike that the unit 2 will cave subsequently leading to the end of the strike even if they do not offer whatever the union has asked for..

    But cupe doll just as the union itself, hopes for a strong rejection during the forced ratification in the event that the final offer from york is not up to their expectation..
    We can only SPECULATE now as the forced ratification has not been announced yet and we do not have a crystal ball to tell us what will happen in that event..
    (just the possibilities):
    1) It might turn out (totally against the union) that the unit 2 might just cave as it did in 2000-01 and put an end themselves.
    2) Or the offer could very well be rejected making the forced ratification a failure for york.. In which case york could possibly yield to the union’ demands (i guess it will) and start classes asap.
    3)The outcome with the least possibility is the case where nothing is done even after a failed forced ratification that cancellation of the semester/year would become inevitable..

    I think there is too much pessimism in our comments when we tend to force the worst scenario on ourselves .. Let us wait till when a forced ratification (is rejected) and make our calculations / predictions..

  16. ram

    This much of pessimism is unwarranted at least for the time being.. What do you think cupe doll?

  17. Cupe Doll

    @ram

    That made almost complete sense. Just one correction about the “pessimism” thing.

    The point I’ve been making how hard it is to see either side caving before it’s too late — regardless even outcome of forced ratification? Because of the private ideological trench war between York and 3903? Sure — you could say that’s pessimistic.

    But my point that students could cave both York and 3903? Flush them out of their own ideological trenches, force them to get all reasonable? Just by students crashing their own campus? No way is that pessimistic.

    Put my points together and you get “realistic”. Erring only on the side of optimism depending whether enough students would participate. How could this possibly work? Read discussion @ thread before this one to find out.

  18. Ridculous

    @ Glendon

    If you have the time to proof read let me know but my own time is limited and I would rather spend it getting signatures (I work too).

  19. RN3rdYear

    Well according to our program director,

    “To all Students,

    We are happy that the Senate Executive granted a limited exclusion to a small group of nursing students who are scheduled to write the CRNE in February, 2009. However, I have also heard from many of you who indicated that was not so great for you personally as you continue to be frustrated by the strike. Unfortunately, it is now certain that there will be no resumption of classes and related academic activities before 05 January 2009, in accordance with an earlier Senate Executive announcement, http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/Strike2008/DecemberAcademicActivities.pdf

    We know that it must be very stressful, frustrating and disappointing that the current CUPE 3903 labour dispute continues to prevent you, our students, from obtaining the educational experience owed to you. It is also frustrating for our staff, full-time faculty, and part-time course directors and instructors that they are not able to carry out those very duties they were hired or contracted to do and about which they are so passionate, i.e. educating and supporting our students.

    There are no guarantees that a resolution to the current dispute will occur before 05 January so please try to pay attention to the York University website for related announcements.

    On behalf of the School of Nursing, I extend sincerest wishes for a resolution to the dispute between now and the New Year so that academic activities can resume on 05 January, in what will hopefully be a much happier New Year.

    Adeline”

  20. RN3rdYear

    That means official closure of the term until Jan at the earliest…and no guarantees of resolution…

    Thats just g-r-e-a-t

  21. F-Ed Up

    @ Ridculous

    I’ve done some editing on behalf of Glendon since I’m not if he/she will do so. I’ll email to yorkstrike2008 in case he/she has your email address?

    STUDENTS: THIS IS WEEK 5 OF THE STRIKE!
    Are you concerned about your academic future?
    Do you have questions regarding your school year?
    Are you frustrated about how the strike is impacting your year?
    Let your voice be heard by SIGNING THIS PETITION!
    This petition is not anti-strike or pro-strike; we know the stories of both parties, and you may have chosen a side but you still have a life — and how this is effecting your life is the untold story.
    So, this petition is about YOUR SIDE. It addresses your academic concerns that have arisen from the strike.
    The Executive Senate Committee is meeting on Tuesday, December 16, 2008, and the secretary will accept this petition and bring it to the table at that meeting.
    Attached are some of the core questions, requests and concerns of the student body of York University.


    Questions, Requests and Concerns For The Senate Committee:

    When (after how many days or weeks of labour disruption) can this school semester be canceled?

    If the semester is canceled, will a refund be provided?

    On behalf of the entire student body of York University, the undersigned request:

    – That York publishes a timeline of strike outcome scenarios on their website. The student body needs more information regarding time-sensitive outcomes For example: “A 10 week strike will push the end of the Winter term to May 20,” etc.

    – A Special Academic Remediation Committee for international students and graduating students who may face undue hardship because of missed deadlines.

    – Improved, detailed, regular communication updates on issues regarding the strike.

    – More than 24 hours notice be given in advance of the first day back to class. This provision is meant to accommodate travel arrangements for students who have gone home to work during the disruption.

    – Two weeks of Deferred Academic Standing for students who have found full time employment during the strike in order to make up for possible losses of work weeks in the Spring.

    – That the university provide help for facilitating and organizing a financial hardship fund for students who are in need due to the strike perhaps through an existing resource. NB: Food4thought is a division of YFS and is consequently closed during the strike.

  22. Ridculous

    @ F-ed Up

    Thank You for the help! I got the e-mail yorkstrike2008 forwarded to me and have responded back to you both there.

  23. CanCan

    Just wondering… for the online petition, could the moderator hide the signatures somehow? If you look at it… there’s a huge database of students and their student numbers… Not too safe. I want to sign it, I do! But I don’t feel safe enough.

  24. I am also concerned about the safety of this.

  25. I received this email today.

    Dear Psychology Students
    For those that have not kept pace with all of the strike-related announcements….
    In accordance with an earlier Senate Executive announcement, unfortunately it is now certain that there will be no resumption of
    classes and related academic activities before 05 January 2009.
    http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/Strike2008/DecemberAcademicActivities.
    pdf
    We know that it must be very stressful, frustrating and disappointing that the current CUPE 3903 labour dispute continues to prevent you, our students, from obtaining the educational
    experience owed to you.
    I receive concerned email messages daily from undergraduate & graduate students. It is also frustrating for our staff, full-time faculty, and part-time course directors and instructors that they are not able to carry out those duties they were hired or contracted to do and about which they are so passionate, i.e. educating and
    supporting our students. There are no guarantees that a resolution to the current dispute will occur before 05 January so please try to pay attention to the York University website for related announcements.
    On behalf of the Department of Psychology, I extend my sincerest wishes for a resolution to the dispute between now and the New Year so that academic activities can resume on 05 January, in what will hopefully be a much happier New Year.

    Laurence Harris
    Chair of Psychology

  26. Ridculous

    @ CanCan

    Some of the students simply signed with their 1st names and you do have the option to provide your faculty rather than student #. Unfortunately, I set up this way so that when I print a copy for the senate I can also give theme the url and any senator can verify the information. Your e-mail is required but that information is kept confidential even to the senate.

    Here is some stuff copied form petitiononline.com’s faq page that may help you understand the risks or safety involved in signing it:

    1) How are petition signatures validated?

    Unlike the various flaky email petitions that periodically wander around the Internet, with PetitionOnline there is exactly one authoritative master copy of your petition. Each signature and email address (always required, but optionally confidential) is logged for possible explicit or statistical validation. Duplicate signatures are automatically rejected, and each person who signs is automatically sent a confirming email message.

    Validation is a somewhat separate issue from delivery. Delivery will only include the email addresses of petition signers who have made their address public ally available. (A petition could be set up so that public email addresses are required, but it would be likely to get far fewer signers.)

    If deeper validation of a petition is really called for, PetitionOnline.com has the technical ability to perform a statistical validation by contacting a sampling of signers directly via the email addresses we have privately archived. This kind of more serious validation is not included in our free petition hosting offer, but can be arranged on a cost-contract basis (see below).

    Ensuring identity without invading privacy is quite a challenge. We don’t see that a perfect solution is currently available, given that there is not yet any widespread foolproof system for establishing online identity. An email address is not enough to establish identity by itself, but it is substantially more than just a name, and it provides a link back to a person for (the potential of) confirming identity.

    2) Does signing a petition threaten my personal privacy?

    We believe that the integrity of this petition information system is a fundamental part of what we have to offer.

    Any information you provide for public viewing on a petition signatures page is accessible by anyone on the Internet. Please exercise normal caution in making your personal information public, as you would with public information on your own web page, or any other.

    Information you provide confidentially, such as a hidden email address, is automatically stored in a secure area, accessible only by Artifice technical staff, for petition administration and validation purposes only.

    For additional details, including the use of cookies by our advertising management system, please see our official Privacy Policy.

    3) How safe are the petition signatures?

    Signatures are treated with great care. The whole site including signature databases is backed up daily and archived. In addition, signatures are logged outside the database to facilitate recovery in case of some unusual system problem.

    Of course, from a legal point of view, you must assume all risk for using our free service.

  27. Glendon

    @ F-Ed Up and Ridiculous…

    *A*ffecting, not *E*ffecting

  28. Ridculous

    @ Glendo thank you for your comments.

    @ALL

    Just an fyi in just 1 day the petition got approx. 170 signatures. Now, I am off to present to the secretary.

    THANK YOU TO ALL FOR THE SUPPORT and I hope it continues! 🙂

  29. Ridculous

    @ All

    FYI: I successfully dropped the petition and a printed copy of the online petition to the executive senate’s secretary this morning. She e-mailed me earlier to acknowledge that they have it! So, I hope it makes a difference.

    Again, lets keep the effort up because I am worried this strike will drag on. My paper petition efforts are over till Jan. 5 but the on-line petition will remain active though I won’t be advertising again till Jan. 5

    Again, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT! 🙂

  30. yorkstrike2008

    @Glendon

    Are you a Glendon student? …

  31. Ridculous

    UPDATE:

    Krisna, as student senator with YFS was kind enough to update me with what went on at the senate meeting yesterdsay.

    The petition was discussed during the communications section of the agenda. Most of the items were deemed out of the senate’s jurisdication but are being forwarded to the appropriate senior members. The first item was within their jurisdication re: winter/fall term and cancellation of the year so I quote: The Executive concluded that every intention will be made to remediate the Fall and Winter terms, but it will be contingent upon when the labour dispute ends.

    Also, despite Food4thoughts voice mail they are open during the labour dispute. So, I asked Kirsna to let them know I am interested in organizing fooddrive /fundraiser with them.

    So, clearly not what we hoped but there is still hope for many of the items.

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