No Meeting Dates Scheduled…

“For Release By the Parties. 8:30 p.m. December 1, 2008 

The mediator has advised the parties that although there has been some movement in recent days, the parties remain far apart on the key issues in this dispute and that a settlement is not close at hand. 

Therefore, there are no further negotiations scheduled at this time. 

The mediator has asked the parties to review their respective positions and will remain in contact with the parties with a view to returning to the bargaining table if and when a reasonable prospect for settlement exists. 

Greg Long 
Mediator 
Ontario Ministry of Labour” 

 

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  1. Stef

    I don’t understand how there can be “no further negotiations scheduled at this time”. We have due dates for essays. Newspapers have deadlines for submissions. The government has set dates for holding parliamentary sessions. How can the university and union not have a set date for bringing two new offers/demands to the table?
    Where is the motivation to get us back into class?

  2. F-Ed Up

    @ Stef

    Hahaha, it does seem to defy logic, doesn’t it?

  3. yorkstrike2008

    @Stef

    Where is the motivation to get us back into class?

    Neoliberalism deregulated ‘motivation’ along with ‘consciousness’ and ‘accountability’ when Canada elected Czar Harpo and the Conservatives.

    😉

  4. Stef

    Touche yorkstrike!
    Maybe us students should pull a “Liberal” and vote non-confidence with the powers that are. Who would be our NDP (and moreso, who would be our Bloc?)
    😉

  5. Commuter

    From the YFS. Ironically, I emailed them this suggestion yesterday!

    “We just received word that tomorrow the York University Senate Executive ( which is the body that deals with emergency procedures in regards to academic issues of the university) will be discussing how the rest of December will pan out in relation to academics. They will be discussing the possibility of setting a cut off date in December for when the will no longer be a possibility of classes being held before Janurary.

    As soon as we know if this date has been set we will send out an email to the members of this group.”

  6. MR Two

    Can’t they just say from NOW that there wont’ be any classes? If there are no talks scheduled, this week is a write off. That leaves 2 weeks. I doubt that they will be talking anytime this week, if negotiations resume next week, then next week is a write off as well. That leaves one week – pointless.

  7. York Student

    what if this stupid strike isn’t even resolved by january? =/

  8. yorkstrike2008

    @York Student

    I believe the 12 weeks =84 days. I believe it is after 83 days that the year is gone. I think that is why they settled at 11.5 weeks last time. This is week 5 – we are half way there.

    I am really demoralised by the amount of people who voted not to go and protest. Under 100 people have said they would come and nearly 500 said that they wouldn’t….have they not smelled the coffee yet?

  9. ram

    HEY GUYS::: there is this recent update on SENATE DECISIONS ON COURSE REMEDIATION which has some good news for the students.. the link is here:::::::::::
    Make sure that you check it. I request you to post your comments so that i will have a better understanding of it that what i have now…

    http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/Strike2008/Dec2Bulletin6.pdf

  10. Erin

    The question becomes how can we the students get back our time and money? How can we get our voice out. Maybe there should be some online initiative to get through to York university? I have some ideas

  11. I think it has to be espresso that they need to smell coffee isn’t string enough

  12. Cupe Doll

    To you guys wondering if anything will get settled anytime soon — and whether you should cancel plans, flights or deviate your flight-plans? Here’s the letter from our 3903 chair. Indicating how and why she’s got no worries that way.

    Why should the union rush to settle anything? Must be pretty empowering just letting 50000 undergrads and our own membership dangle.

    Personally? No way is this ending different from last time. Forced ratification vote some point in January.

    Anyhow.. here’s the letter.

    >>> From: “Christina Rousseau”
    >>> Date: December 1, 2008 8:50:49 PM GMT-05:00
    >>> To: “Cupe 3903” , 3903scouncil@masses.tao.ca
    >>> Subject: [SC] my leave
    >>> ** please forward as you see fit **
    >>> Hey Folks,
    >>> As some of you may already know, I will be out of the country for a
    >>> period in December. The decision to leave has not been an easy one at
    >>> all, but I must continue with the arrangements I have made.
    >>> I am leaving to attend a wedding. The decision to take this trip was
    >>> made in July, which is also the same time that tickets for this trip
    >>> were purchased. The cheapest tickets to get were of course
    >>> non-refundable, which puts me in the position I am in now, as I cannot
    >>> afford to throw away an expensive ticket. At the time that plans were
    >>> made, I was a rank-and-file member and not in an executive position. I
    >>> only came into an executive position at the beginning of October.
    >>> As I have said, my decision to continue on with these plans has not
    >>> been an easy one. But at the same time, I cannot afford to just throw
    >>> away a plane ticket. I understand that people might be upset by this
    >>> decision, but I also hope that people will be understanding of why Iam
    >>> going.
    >>> The Executive Committee has been planning for my absence according to
    >>> our bylaws. In the event that the Chair is absent, the Vice Presidents
    >>> take on the duties of the Chair. Maria Wallis (VP Unit 2), Ben Nelson
    >>> (VP Unit 3) and Roxanne Power (Chief Steward Unit 2) have agreed to
    >>> take on these responsibilities, which include the scheduling and
    >>> planning of general membership meetings, as well as executive
    >>> committee meetings. To help ease this transition (and for the sake of
    >>> everyone’s convenience) the executive have already scheduled the next
    >>> 2 GMMs, and the 3rd one is in the works. In terms of media
    >>> relations,Tyler Shipley (Chief Steward Unit 1) and Graham Potts (VP
    >>> Unit 1) have already been actively involved and will continue to serve
    >>> as media representatives during the remainder of the strike. Also, we
    >>> have a wonderful team of media relations people who will continue to
    >>> do the great work they have been doing.
    >>> The rest of the Executive Committee will of course continue to do the
    >>> great work they have been doing. It is important to note that the
    >>> position of chair in 3903 is not the same as a hierarchical position
    >>> like ‘president.’ All members of the CUPE 3903 Executive have equal
    >>> rights in decision-making and my role does not carry any more
    >>> responsibility or weight than any other position.
    >>> In solidarity,
    >>> Christina
    >>> –Christina Rousseau
    >>> PhD II
    >>> CUPE 3903 Steward
    >>> Division of Humanities
    >>> York University

  13. Jafac

    @yorkstrike2008

    Don’t be discouraged! a 1:5 ratio is still pretty good, if we get 100 people outside the next meeting that will still make a difference. I personally can’t come because I’m still recovering from getting my wisdom teeth yanked. But I’ll be there in spirit!

  14. F-Ed Up

    @ Erin

    What are your ideas? (Just curious, no antagonism implied)

  15. Jean-Sebastien MARIER, Student Senator

    Academic Remediation: Accommodations, Adjustments and Modifications
    Executive Committee of Senate Bulletin #6

    This document contains important information about the completion of courses. It has been issued by the Executive Committee of Senate in order to identify the accommodations available to students, and adjustments and modifications that have been made or will be made. The document will be updated to reflect decisions about changes to schedules and academic regulations as they are finalized.

    PRINCIPLES OF REMEDIATION

    The Meaning of “Remediation” and “Remedial Actions”

    Remediation refers to accommodations for students, modification of normal academic regulations, and adjustments in class and examination schedules. The completion of courses will involve a combination of such changes.

    Responsibility For Remediation

    Changes to class and examination schedules and to academic regulations will be authorized by the University’s Senate, and these changes will provide the overall framework for the completion of courses. Senate legislation emphasizes that course directors are in the best position to determine other appropriate remediation for individual courses, and will do so in conjunction with their departments and with their students. Remediation will be governed by the principles of flexibility, discretion and academic integrity. Course directors are encouraged to be flexible in dealing with individual requests, and must not unreasonably deny them.

    IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT COURSES, DATES AND ASSIGNMENTS

    Tests and Other Assignments During the Disruption
    With limited and specified exceptions, all academic activities were suspended as the result of a strike by CUPE 3903 beginning November 6. Academic activities in this context means classes, examinations and other instructional activities, graduate and undergraduate, on or off campus. For all courses that have been suspended, this means
    • no classes are held;
    • no tests are scheduled;
    • no assignments are due during the strike;
    • due dates that fell prior to the beginning of the strike stand.

    Concerns about classes, assignments and tests should be communicated to course directors or to the Chair of the applicable unit or to the Associate Dean of the applicable Faculty.

    Dates When Academic Activities Will Not Be Conducted

    The University is closed from December 24, 2008 to January 4, 2009 inclusive. There will be no classes from December 23, 2008 to January 4, 2009 inclusive, and no examinations will be held during that period with the exception that December 23 may be held as a reserve examination day by the Registrar’s Office.

    Notice of Class Resumption

    Academic activities that have been suspended will resume as quickly as possible, but there will be some lead time between the announcement of an end to the disruption and the resumption of courses. There will be at least 24 hours notice between Senate Executive’s declaration of an end to the disruption and the resumption of classes. The amount of lead time depends on such factors as back-to-work protocols for employees now on strike and the day of the week when the disruption concludes.

    Cushion Period for Tests and Other Assignments Following the Disruption

    There will be a cushion period between the resumption of classes and tests and the submission of assignments. This means that
    • tests and exams for all courses (including internet and correspondence) will not be scheduled in the first five calendar days following the resumption of classes;
    • tests and exams for all courses (including internet and correspondence) will not be scheduled until at least one class “meet” with course directors has been held;
    • assignments that were due on dates during the disruption need not be submitted until at least one class meeting has been held.

    ACCOMMODATIONS

    Accommodations That Are Available Now for Students

    Students who are expecting to complete their studies at York University by the end of the Fall Term and who must begin employment or return to another country in January are advised to (a) consult now with course directors and arrange a deferred standing agreement OR (b) consult with their course directors on appropriate remediation once academic activities resume.

    Exception note: If the course director is a member of CUPE 3903, students will need to consult with their course director regarding remediation once academic activities resume. Alternatively, they can contact their home department and/or Dean’s Office to arrange a deferred standing agreement.

    For information on deferred standing:
    http://www.registrar.yorku.ca/services/ds_faq.htm

    Accommodations That Will be Available for Students

    Provision will be made for the alternative scheduling of presentations, performances, practica or the equivalent (ie, outside of scheduled class meets) so that collaborative classroom or studio work can meet at a time convenient for course directors and students (subject to the availability of appropriate space).

    Accommodations For Persons With Disabilities

    As always and in accordance with existing Senate legislation, appropriate accommodations will be
    provided to persons with disabilities and to those who cannot attend an examination on grounds of religious observance.

    While many students will encounter difficulties with the “re-entry” process for a variety of reasons, the following represent a few important points to consider in the case of students with disabilities:

    1. Accommodation for disability must be considered on an individual basis.
    2. Students may require additional time to complete assignments beyond the “new” submission dates set by the course instructor for the class. This may require flexibility in setting deadlines without academic penalty. They may also need easier access to TAs or course instructors to help clarify material being covered more rapidly during class. Course directors are encouraged to utilize the deferred standing agreement as a mechanism to assist with this process.
    3. Students with disabilities may have more difficulty obtaining class lecture notes due to the possible unavailability of note taking support. This may mean that course instructors may need to provide access to in-class lecture material via other means when note takers or sign language interpreters are not available.
    4. If there is a compressed exam schedule, there may need to be consideration for flexibility in re-scheduling exams to account for the extended time required by students with extended time accommodations, or for students who have difficulty with attention issues due to their disability.

    CHANGES TO SESSIONAL DATES AND ACADEMIC REGULATIONS

    Changes Authorized to Date

    The final day by which to drop a Fall term class without receiving a grade has been deferred until after the disruption is over.

    Other Changes That Will Be Made

    The completion of courses will require
    • a reduction in the number of teaching days in all terms;
    • corresponding changes in sessional dates, such as the date for resumption and end of Fall term, Winter term and full year courses and the date for the start and end of Fall term examinations;
    • changes to deadlines that fell during the labour disruption (bearing in mind that due dates that fell prior to the disruption on November 6 remain in effect);
    • a change in the date by which to opt for a pass / fail option (where available) from the first two weeks of the term to the final day of instructional period;
    • students to have reasonable alternative access to course material;
    • restructuring of examination schedules, and waiving of normal regulations (for example, no study day between the end of classes and start of exams; permitting tests worth more than 20 per cent of overall marks to be held in the final two weeks of class; converting formal examination schedules so that examinations may be held one week following the class at the same time; etc.).

    Changes That May Be Made
    The completion of courses may result in
    • changes to the number, kind and weight of assignments when classes resume (however, students will have the choice of completing the assignments in accordance with the originally published grading scheme);
    • some Fall term exams being held in January (likely on the first Saturday and Sunday after the University reopens.

    OTHER INFORMATION

    Grade Reports and Transcripts
    Students may require grade reports and official transcripts to complete their applications to professional programmes or for other purposes. The Registrar’s Office has contacted other Canadian post-secondary institutions to explain that there will be a delay in the processing of final grades for York students at the end of the Fall 2008 Term. Students applying to post-secondary schools outside of Canada who require a letter from the Registrar’s Office explaining the delay in the processing of final grades due to the labour disruption are encouraged to contact Student Client Services.

    Student Client Services:
    http://www.yorku.ca/scsweb/

    Appeals and Petitions

    The University’s normal mechanisms for petitions will continue to be available to students through their home Faculty.

    Student Evaluations of Courses and Instruction

    Senate has mandated evaluations by students for all courses. However, for the Fall 2008 Term, course evaluations will be optional and will be conducted at the discretion of the course instructor.

    Last Updated December 2, 2008
    Senate Bulletin #6
    http://www.yorku.ca/secretariat/Strike2008/Dec2Bulletin6.pdf

  16. Regina Falangie

    In my 4 years at York, [EDITED BY MODERATOR]

    So I say to hell with CUPE’s demands! The Administration should just rough this out until the union gives up… I personally the union doesn’t get a CENT out of the settled negotiations

  17. Yorkie

    Why is it that everyone who uses the word “NEOLIBERALISM” doesn’t seem to know what it actually means. CUPE and its supporters seem to mean “Thatcherism” rather than “neoliberalism”

    And guess what (what?) there is a difference.

    Look at wikipeida if you dont believe me

  18. Erin

    So what if we collected a bunch of individual oral testimonials for how the strike is affecting us as students. I know of a software that allows you to create voice messages that would make it easy. This collection of testimonials could be useful in order to help get our voice heard and start fighting for our needs and for our admin to start taking care of their responsibility to the students.

  19. Commuter

    @ Jean-Sebastien MARIER, Student Senator

    “• some Fall term exams being held in January (likely on the first Saturday and Sunday after the University reopens.”

    What does this mean- “some” exams in January? Exams will still be happening in December?

    And does this imply that if exams are in January, they will only be held on weekends?!?!?

  20. RN3rdYear

    @ commuter

    The exam schedule as been withdrawn from the “current students” page. Exams cannot occur until after classes resume – at this point in time it is pretty definite that NO exams will occur before the new year.

    No that doesnt mean exams will only be held on weekends…but some may be held on weekdays AND weekends to get the exam period compressed (i.e. in 2 weeks instead of 3!).

    Just watch the senate page on York University, their collective negotions page, and the current student page for the exam schedule.

  21. yorkstrike2008

    @Yorkie

    “Why is it that everyone who uses the word “NEOLIBERALISM” doesn’t seem to know what it actually means. CUPE and its supporters seem to mean “Thatcherism” rather than “neoliberalism”

    And guess what (what?) there is a difference.

    Look at wikipeida if you dont believe me”

    I hope you aren’t directing that at me? Half of what I study is neoliberalism. I have sharp teeth… 😉 Jokes!

  22. Commuter

    @ RN3rdYear

    Thanks for the info! 🙂

  23. Commuter

    Could you clarify this point please?

    “- converting formal examination schedules so that examinations may be held one week following the class at the same time; etc.”

    Not quite sure what that means.

  24. BFD

    @ram re: Dec2Bulletin6

    The way I read it is this:

    The uni will re-start classes asap (within reason) after a settlement with 3903. Courses/due dates/exams will be reset. In courses where
    assignments are cancelled (and the weight moved
    onto an exam) students will still be allowed to
    submit the work and be graded on the original
    scheme.

    Students who can not complete the term as
    per the new schedule are expected to apply
    for defered status, which ultimately means
    that you would be required to complete your
    course at the next term.

    You have to plan carefully for defered status,
    because you might wind up having to write
    MANY exams in the next term. And unless
    they overlap, the uni won’t let you defer them again.

    On the other hand if you’ve got something to do that takes you away from school;
    “Course directors are encouraged to be flexible in dealing with individual requests, and must not unreasonably deny them.”
    So you might be able to work something out
    without the need for official defered status.
    (just a thought)

  25. Hey Kids,

    Just a reminder to watch ‘The National’ on CBC (weeknights @ 10pm). It isn’t like you guys have anything better to do.

    PEACEEEE

    P.S. kevin newman aint got sh*t on me!

  26. Commuter

    @ BFD

    “The uni will re-start classes asap (within reason) after a settlement with 3903”

    Not so sure… I hear (from the YFS) they will be having a meeting tomorrow to determine a cut-off date in December where classes would be pushed into the new year.

  27. RN3rdYear

    @ commuter,

    If you read the first half of that bullet, the Senate is stating that they are restructuring the examination schedules, and waiving of normal regulations.

    I think the “at the same time” COULD possibly mean that you would write your exam in your normal class alloted time, one week after finishing your last class. I.E. if you have a class from 0830-1130 on Thurs, you may write your exam the following Thurs from 0830-1130. This is my interpretation of the posting, as you must keep in mind that this is just the Senate forewarning us of what MAY happen.

    Hope that helps.

  28. Commuter

    @ RN3rdYear

    Sure does, thanks! 🙂

  29. Yorkie

    @yorkstrike2008

    Nah, its more toward everyone in general. I have been accosted several times by people with their Illiad length talking point treatises about “neoliberalism” only to realize with mounting horror that they have no idea what the term actually means.

    It has turned into a crazy trigger word for me lately

  30. clennis

    york’s substantial surplus it’s been sitting on – thanks to increased enrollment, provincial transfers and increased casualization of teaching on campus – will decline sharply when winter tuition fees fail to pour in as expected.
    if they continue to refuse a reasonable offer to cupe members until then, we can rest assured that in january they will suffer the financial consequences of inaction. and let’s not forget, york is a business first.
    here’s to hoping it doesn’t come to that.

  31. F-Ed Up

    @ P. Mansbridge

    BAHAHAHA, love it. Thanks for making me smile 🙂

  32. ram

    Thank you BFD…
    After all these information is it safe to infer that restart of classes will be pushed to january… ? Just to know so that my 1000$ trip does not have to fall prey to the strike…

  33. Commuter

    @ ram

    Depends on if the government introduces back-to-work legislation. Some say it is likely they will; others say there’s no chance in hell that would happen.

  34. F-Ed Up

    @ ram

    I’m pretty sure that based on what many, many, many people have said thusfar, you should continue with your plans. Keep in mind, if hell freezes over and we are forced back in Dec, you won’t be the only one who won’t be able to be in class due to other plans, and you can be assured by the latest senate updates that you should be protected from any sort of penalties which would normally be incurred from being absent from class.

    Oh, and just make sure you email your profs now to let them know that just in case we do have classes, you won’t be there. Like I said, I’m sure you won’t be the only one. (Hey, maybe your profs even have plane tickets, too!)

  35. Pally Wally

    neoliberalism: Yorkie :: sourpuss : ff

  36. Confused and Exasperated

    @ Pally Wally
    lol

  37. clennis

    @cupe doll
    what gives you the impression there was a forced ratification vote that ended the strike in 2000-2001?
    the strike ended because the employer made a reasonable offer to the union (right before they took a big financial hit from lost tuition). this offer included most of what the union demanded.
    also, i think you should have looked a little more carefully at rousseau’s email (maybe you didn’t read to the end?)
    she, like the rest of cupe members, has one vote and a modest salary.
    are you just against vacations, or have you misunderstood her role in the union?

  38. BFD

    @ram
    I’m unable to see into the future and I’m
    no good at predicting random events.

    Quantum level chaotic events notwithstanding;
    I would suppose that the probability of
    a re-start before Jan is low, but that’s
    based mostly on what I’ve found on this blog.

    Thanks and cheers to yorkstrike2008
    for all the good work.

  39. Commuter

    @ BFD

    You’re been officially appointed as our resident Nostradamus. 😉

  40. Stef

    Considering that Christina Rousseau is taking her plane trip in the middle of these talks, I don’t think anyone else will get a hard time from profs should they choose to take their pre-arranged flights.
    Just say, “But the head of the union did ittt…” a la whiny child.
    PS – this will probably have more leverage if it’s a CUPE prof, and not a tenured one. 😉

  41. leafer4lyfe

    is that really peter mansbridge?
    the way i think it works is that x mas holiday doesnt count towards the 12 week strike stuff

  42. clennis

    @stef
    forgive me for saying so, but i think you’ve misunderstood her position in the union.
    she has no greater place in negotiations than any other member.
    if cupe’s chief negotiator was going away on vacation, or any member of the bargaining team, then i’d be right here with you complaining about their absence and indiscretion.
    given that she, like everyone else in the union, has one vote at meetings, it’s no different than if any of the thousands of cupe members went on a winter break vacation.

  43. Catherine

    How lovely.

    Can’t the mediator just set a deadline by which each party has to change their demands or something?

  44. Dray

    @Catherine:

    Unfortunately, no. The mediator doesn’t have the power to control the talks in any way.

    He can just act as an intermediary between the two parties and try to encourage meaningful deliberation and discourage name calling, etc. He can also convene meetings: so if one side asks the other to meet, he can convey the message and set up the meeting.

  45. Nathan

    “[…]like the rest of cupe members, has one vote and a modest salary.”

    http://cupe3903.tao.ca/?q=node/843

    “Salary: $74, 711.00 plus benefits/pension plan (pro-rated)”

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

  46. Guess Who

    See you people in January. I’m outta here.

  47. MR Two

    I don’t understand… is there a cut off date being voted on or not?

  48. Cupe Doll

    Clennis? The chair taking off is “no different than if any of the thousands of cupe members went on a winter break vacation”? Joke, right?

    Also: “what gives you the impression there was a forced ratification vote that ended the strike in 2000-2001?”

    Ok. Due all the false spinning since 2000-20001? This question might even be legitimate. If you’re not among co-authors of false spinning. If you’re just another victim of 3903 false spinning. Justifiably dizzy like anyone else.

    So check it out. @ http://www.labournet.net/world/0101/cupe2.html

    This was 3903’s victory declaration after 2000/01. Victory because 3903 membership had rejected York’s forced ratification. But. Scroll down. You’ll notice that only unit1 and unit3 voted mostly “no”. Unit2? Voted “yes”.

    So what? Wasn’t it victory when 3903 voted mostly no to York’s forced ratification? Nope. That’s how it’s been spun — but think about it. How could 3903 keep on striking without unit2? Couldn’t. Because the unit2 part of 3903 wasn’t striking anymore. And either the local’s all on strike — or it isn’t. No such thing as partly striking.

    To rank and to file it felt like absolute disaster back then. Because it was. And no coincidence the other 2 units settled within 2 more days. Strike was over. Only since then, it got all spun. As if 3903 majority voting against York’s ratification were what mattered.

    It’s more than likely. York needs only take advantage unit2’s vulnerability this time same as last.

    Come strike time, 3903 loves unit2. Because all 3903 need to to justify hundreds false frivolous strike issues? Point out how the employer abuses its contract faculty. Which is the only legitimate issue this strike.

    But come forced ratification time? York loves unit2. Knows it can count on unit2 to cave right in. Since contract faculty get hurt so much worse than the rest during these fiascoes.

    And does the chair taking off for warmer climates and beach-side frolics make any difference? No — not for real. But symbolically? While rank and files hang out freezing in the wind? While longer-term high-intensity unit2s are forced increasingly near defaulting their mortgages? While the educations and lives and finances of 50000 undergrads get held hostage? Hell. Nobody needs me to answer that for them.

  49. Cupe Doll

    Clennis? The chair taking off is “no different than if any of the thousands of cupe members went on a winter break vacation”? You have got to be joking.

    Also: “what gives you the impression there was a forced ratification vote that ended the strike in 2000-2001?”

    Ok. Due all the false spinning since 2000-20001? This question might even be legitimate. If you’re not among co-authors of false spinning. If you’re just another victim of 3903 false spinning. Justifiably dizzy like anyone else.

    So check it out. @ http://www.labournet.net/world/0101/cupe2.html

    This was 3903’s victory declaration after 2000/01. Victory because 3903 membership had rejected York’s forced ratification. But. Scroll down. You’ll notice that only unit1 and unit3 voted mostly “no”. Unit2? Voted “yes”.

    So what? Wasn’t it victory when 3903 voted mostly no to York’s forced ratification? Nope. That’s how it’s been spun — but think about it. How could 3903 keep on striking without unit2? Couldn’t. Because the unit2 part of 3903 wasn’t striking anymore. And either the local’s all on strike — or it isn’t. No such thing as partly striking.

    To rank and to file it felt like absolute disaster back then. Because it was. And no coincidence the other 2 units settled within 2 more days. Strike was over. Not because “the employer made a reasonable offer to the union” — as clennis said above. Strike was over because unit2 caved. Only since then, everything got spun. As if 3903 majority voting against York’s ratification were what mattered. As if it was York that caved and started making “reasonable” offers.

    More than likely? York need only take advantage unit2 vulnerability this time same as last.

    Come strike time, 3903 loves unit2. Because all 3903 needs to justify hundreds false frivolous strike issues? Point out how the employer abuses its contract faculty. The one, the only legitimate issue this strike.

    But come forced ratification time? York loves unit2. Knows it can count on unit2 to cave right in. Since contract faculty get hurt so much worse than the rest during these fiascoes.

    And does the chair taking off for sand, sun and fun make any difference? No — not for real. But symbolically? While rank and files hang out freezing in the wind? While longer-term higher-intensity unit2s are forced increasingly near defaulting their mortgages? While the educations and lives and finances of 50000 undergrads get held hostage? Hell. Nobody needs me to answer that for them.

  50. Yes, it is pathetic that the chair of the Union is going for a vacation. If undergrads need to be weary about their December vacation plans, so should she.

  51. Basil El-Salviti

    @ CUPE Doll

    Well said.

  52. Question for you

    What does deferred status mean?

  53. Yorkie

    @ Pally Wally

    haha

  54. Andrei MR

    @Cupe Doll:

    “This was 3903’s victory declaration after 2000/01. Victory because 3903 membership had rejected York’s forced ratification. … Wasn’t it victory when 3903 voted mostly no to York’s forced ratification? Nope. That’s how it’s been spun — but think about it. How could 3903 keep on striking without unit2?”

    Well, I was there. Unit I kept striking even though Unit II was back to work. Yes, that can happen.

    Spin? No. It really was a big victory for CUPE when the forced rat vote failed, because it was over the major issue of the strike: tuition indexation. York caved after 11 weeks, sealing the victory for CUPE.

    Anyway, Cupe Doll, there’s a GMM. Go to it.

  55. Andrei MR

    @Nathan:

    The $74k salary is for an EMPLOYEE OF CUPE 3903 — someobody who WORKS FOR 3903, not who is a MEMBER OF 3903.

    They work day and night basically making sure the union’s collective agreements are honoured. That’s very difficult work, as you need to interpret the agreement and relevant law, and argue positions in tribunals, etc. They earn their salary.

  56. clennis

    @cupe doll
    you’re correct. unit 2 voted for forced ratification in 2000-2001.
    it seems to me that you’re a member of unit 2 and that the union begins and ends with unit 2 for you.
    therefore, i now see where you got the impression that forced ratification ended the strike in 2000-2001 (by disregarding the majority of the membership).
    but keep in mind that it’s primarily unit 1 and unit 3 members (by far the majority) who are out there on the lines fighting for unit 2 job security.
    as you likely know, the employer has been unwilling to make even minor concessions to cupe’s demands for unit 2, and this is one of the sticking points for the current negotiation.
    so, if unit 2 job security is “the one, the only legitimate issue this strike” then i should see you out on the picket lines with the unit 1s, unit 3s and undergraduates who are out there fighting to win you a fair contract.
    historically, as you point out, the employer has made concessions to unit 2s to split and de-mobilize the union. what you fail to mention, though, is that they have offered nothing to address current unit 2 demands.
    in 2000-2001, a quick comparison of cupe’s demands and the offer they accepted will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the employer, for the most part, conceded to the reasonable demands being made. we continue to reap the benefits of that agreement.
    also, i’m willing to picket for unit 2s (my number one priority for current negotiations) but it’s a shame you can’t be more sensitive to the needs of other units (who, again, make up the majority of the people fighting to win you a fair contract).
    i make $659/month as a member of unit 3.
    if you think that’s too much please let me know.
    lend me a dollar?

  57. clennis

    @nathan

    http://cupe3903.tao.ca/?q=node/843
    “Salary: $74, 711.00 plus benefits/pension plan (pro-rated)”

    thank you for giving me an opportunity to clarify. cupe employees do make more money than cupe members.
    the membership is paid by york’s administration. the employees of cupe are paid by the membership (i pay a whopping $9.10/month in dues).
    perhaps if President Shoukri wasn’t raking in a cool $450,000 a year before his exorbitant benefits (car, driver, an annual entertainment budget that exceeds the pay for a phd student teaching a summer course at york, 750,000 forgivable home loan, and the like) then york could afford to pay cupe members well too (or, god forbid, we could reduce tuition fees, class sizes, and work on re-building york’s dwindling capacity to provide quality education).

  58. nellyli

    So what? Are we going back to class at all in Dec? This is killing me, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

  59. pp

    I think that if the strike does not end before December 15, there is no realistic prospect of our getting back to class before Christmas. If it should end before that date, we would probably resum for a brief period, but it will be the case certainly that several students will not be able to attend. I am hopeful that instructors will find a means to make material otherwise available, since the students did not elect this disruption in their schedules. It is likely that we will have some Fall instruction — and all Fall exams — beginning in January, but there will be some students who will have left the University permanently — graduating, or exchange students — and we will need to make arrangements for them to finish their fall term courses, perhaps remotely. A deferred standing agreement is the best means of outlining what one plans to do in that regard, and students can then have a deadline to meet. I acknowledge that it may be impossible to be precsie about what is to be done until we know how long the strike lasted, but some assurance to students that they can complete will be desirable. Regards, Bob Drummond

    Robert J. Drummond
    Dean, Faculty of Arts
    S930 Ross
    416-736-5260
    fax: 416-736-5623
    artsdean@yorku.ca

    source in next post.

  60. Daisy

    I am severly confused with everything I read! I know that I must take everything said with a grain of salt! BUTTTT I could use some advice, I have my flight booked for the holidays leaving on the 11th, had it booked along time before the strike. Its a non exchangable ticket!

    I know its hard for anyone to predict anything about when classes could resume! But im just wondering if you think its safe for me to fly home, knowing that classes won’t resume till Jan? I can not afford to fly back if classes resume, let alone to rebook a ticket for a later time!!!!!

    ANYYYYYY thoughts would be welcomed!!

  61. An opinion

    Daisy,

    Just follow through with your personal plans. At best, you might only miss a lecture or two that will likely be devoted to a recap of previous material in order to get the students back up to speed after the long disruption. There will be no exams in December at this point. The Dean has already reiterated that many students will not be in attendance if classes resume before the official break…unlikely, at this point, I would think.

    Enjoy your time with your family. If you can, try to stay on top of the Fall readings and do your own review. When full classes do resume in January (I hope), there will be little time to ease back in.

  62. Daisy

    @ an opinion

    Thanks for your advice! Greatly appreciated!

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