Protest for School!

 

Well it seems that enough of you people are down with going out and rallying in front of the next meeting hall/building wherever it is.  We want the Union and the University to know that we are really pissed off. They have been fooling around and talking in circles for almost a month now! I don’t think they realise that there are 50,000 people who need to carry on with their lives. We need to bring that reality to their doorstep and shake the damn board room tables with some protesting. 

 

 – If anyone has megaphones, video cameras some face paint and other fun rallying stuff then get it ready to go!

– I will look into getting some of those wood poles, some staplers, bristol board and paint to make some signs. Again, if anyone has any or can make their own before that would be great.

-If you can bring anything then email me. Contact info under “Contact Info” 😉

 

We will have to wait until the next meeting is announced to do this. Here is the flyer:

PDF: yorkstrike2008-protest-flyer.pdf 

Send this flyer to everyone you know!

 

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  1. F-Ed Up

    kudos for use of the term “lolly gagging”

    damn straight.

  2. yorkstrike2008

    ahah thanks

    I was going to drop “tomfoolery” in there …or some “tomfoolishness”. But I didn’t. meh…

  3. york student

    I am a little confused by the opinions expressed by some people regarding the strike. When it looked like the strike was going to end people were complaining that they wanted to return in January so that they could get a fresh start. Now when it seems that talks have gone sour people are once again complaining that they want to return to school ASAP. Personally, I wouldn’t mind going back to school soon so that I could get back to normal routine. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that everyone has their opinions and have the right to share their views but I am a little confused.

  4. yorkstrike2008

    @York Student

    When it appeared that exams could happen before christmas people did not want that because they had travel arrangements. Now that exams are clearly not happening before January we want to use these next two weeks to try and get back in January.

  5. F-Ed Up

    In addition, it doesn’t look like there’s any chance of getting back to class before January now, so people shouldn’t still be worried about that.
    As yorkstrike2008 said, we want to rally to get back early in January. December’s pretty much off the table at this point, to use a negotiations metaphor haha.

  6. Ridculous

    I like the poster but we would need to finalize, when and how we would protest.

  7. flushafleshfarm

    If the meeting is after the 6th I will be there.

  8. Another student

    I was pleased to see “lolly gagging” as well. Any chance of squeezing “brouhaha” in somewhere?

  9. yorkstrike..

    How affective do you think this “protest” is going to be? I really doubt they’ll actually appreciate the actions and decide to speed up their process.. how about finding some other ways to “show that your pissed”?
    All I’m saying is, the idea of the protest is totally fine and I support it.. we will be all over the media exposed. but then imagine the unions ‘ignoring’ the cry and do nothing about it eventually.

    Now that would look embarrassing..

  10. JMac

    I am not sure but I believe ff will be here soon to protest your use of lollygagging – a sexist term. 🙂

  11. yorkstrike2008

    It’s not a sexist term is it? Damn. Has anybody seen Boondock Saints? The rule of thumb is….WHAM!

  12. yorkstrike2008

    Well we don’t know when the next meeting will be. This is just to let people know that we are organising it. As soon as we know when it is we will say when and where. We should be preparing now.

  13. Hullo

    No thank you. I will not be coming. That is why we got people like you for. Go rally for us.

  14. yamz

    Hmm.. perhaps it should be a rule of wrist 😉

  15. Is it for sure that Tuesdays meeting isn’t happenning?

  16. York Student

    “I am not sure but I believe ff will be here soon to protest your use of lollygagging – a sexist term. ”

    Oh wow nice child abuse sentiment here

    A search of the internet reveals that “lolly” is another way of saying “lolita”, which refers to the famous Nabakov work about a perverted older man who lusts after and kidnaps a teenaged girl for his own…use. Consequentially, “Lolitas” or “lolly” have rapidly become a sort of shorthand for young females who may or may not be of age and may be sexually aggressive (or the subject of male sexual aggression)

    By “lolly gagging” you are really expressing a desire to “gag” “lollies”, or rather, “kidnap and gag young women”.

    You are condoning the worst form of sexism and cruelty in our society. Every time you say “lolly gaggin” you are condoning the gagging and kidnapping children by cruel and perverse individuals

    I am shocked and offended by this and demand an immediate retraction for use of this vile, hateful and offensive term which civilized and intelligent would never dare to employ in everyday discourse and discussion

    Shame on you.

    Shame. On. You.

    Yours in Christ

    York Student

  17. yorkstrike2008

    Well.

    I apologise. I did not realise it was such an offensive term. I will retract it immediately.

  18. dawn

    @ york student

    ahahaha that was too funny…i had a good laugh.

  19. ram

    @ F-ED-UP:: LISTEN!!
    How are you too sure that december is just a write off and we will not see an agreement in december?I will be personally happy if it happens so but I need proper hypothesis or explanations good enough to convince!!!

  20. TA's Opinion

    Nice. Can’t wait to hear you all there.

    But I think you meant “sandbox tussle” not “tuffle” on your poster. The first means a fight or a wrestle, while the only definition for the latter I can find is:

    “A combination of the world tickle, and ruffle used to indicate the action of rubbing testicles gently with your fingers.”

    Maybe that’s what the two sides are doing in the metaphorical sandbox, but you’d think the process would be more pleasurable for all of us then.

    And no, no need to pay me $33/hr or 11% more for that. Who’s the TA that loves you?

  21. Commuter

    @ TA’s Opinion

    Haha. Love it.

  22. Hmmm...

    The statement is true, many are wanting to get on with their lives… Those that were graduating this semester have to now wait a few more weeks or a month to get that great job offer they think is coming their way… those that have bad karma … I guess that’s what you get for putting such negativity out there. Now 49,999 other students are going through the delay because of what you put out into the universe during the summer! Good job and thanks a shill!

  23. D

    @ york student

    that was funny, thank you made my day.

  24. TA's Opinion

    Although, come to think of it, maybe that *is* what they’re doing in bargaining meetings. All this talk of “peanuts” and “balls in courts” and “going around the edges.” Would explain why they’re taking so long.

    And yes, I already apologize for the inevitable offense.

  25. let me learn

    let me know when and where, and i’ll be there.

  26. ram

    PLEASE!!! I request somebody to clarify my doubts… SO THE PROTEST IS FOR ASKING THE UNIVERSITY TO START SCHOOL AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? ???? or

    IS IT FOR MAKING PROVISIONS SO THAT WE ARE BACK IN JANUARY IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THE STRIKE IS OVER OR NOT?????????

    SOMEONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION>>>>

  27. Jon

    @ everyone who is offended easily

    LIGHTEN UP!

  28. flushafleshfarm

    @ram

    I think the point would be to get things going just in case we CAN make a difference. Worst case scenario pushes this thing way beyond January 5th (1st Monday of ’09). Getting organized by then can’t help get school started by then. I don’t think we’re going back in December. if we do, it won’t be because of our actions. Some sort of student activity COULD see results by sometime in January.

  29. flushafleshfarm

    ….if they begin now.

  30. Fred

    Through these fields of destruction
    Baptisms of fire
    I’ve witnessed your suffering
    As the battles raged higher
    And though they hurt me so bad
    In the fear and alarm
    You did not desert me
    My brothers in arms

  31. ram

    THANKYOU flushaflushfarm….
    I HAVE ONE MORE SUGGESTION.. :::::

    YFS IS HOLDING A TOWNHALL MEETING TO GET INPUT FROM THE STUDENTS AS TO WHEN THEY PREFER THE RESTART OF CLASSES ONCE THE STRIKE IS OVER.. THOSE WHO CANNOT ATTEND THE MEETING (4 th december) CAN JUST SEND AN EMAIL TO “strikeinfo@yfs.ca” ( which is also visible on the YFS site) explaining their desire for a january restart..

    I HAD SENT AN EMAIL IN THE EVENING FOR WHICH I GOT AN IMMEDIATE REPLY FROM YFS STATING THAT THERE ARE MANY EMAILS REQUESTING FOR A JANUARY RESTART…. SINCE THEY HAVE A POSITION IN THE SENATE IN DISCUSSING ABOUT THESE THINGS THERE COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IF THERE ARE LARGE NUMBER OF EMAILS SUPPORTING A JANUARY RESTART.

    I URGE EVERYONE TO SEND AN EMAIL ASKING FOR JANUARY RESTART.. I hope something worthwhile happens by taking atleast this step from our side…

  32. yorkstrike2008

    Lay off the caps dude…

    Yes, if we are to get a January start up date we have to start something soon. YorkNotHostage’s dealies at Queens Park, in my opinion, won’t accomplish much. We have to go right to the people with the power in this matter.

    If anyone here knows somebody in YFS perhaps we could get some recognition of this protest and they could come out and help. We are not taking sides so I am sure they would have little issue in helping out.

    I will contact them but I doubt they will get back to me.

  33. s~

    i’m confused, i was looking up lollygagging too
    and it doesn’t say it has anything to do with a sexual term?..ah ?? can someone fill me in haha, does it really mean lolita and gagging them literally?! haha because it says “Verb 1. lollygag – be about; “The high school students like to loiter in the Central Square”; “Who is this man that is hanging around the department?”
    footle, hang around, lallygag, mess about, mill about, mill around, tarry, loiter, lounge, lurk, linger, loaf
    be – have the quality of being; (copula, used with an adjective or a predicate noun); “John is rich”; “This is not a good answer”
    prowl, lurch – loiter about, with no apparent aim”

    mm…unless someone what just joking
    I DONT GET IT!!! haha

  34. Artem

    lollygagging means loitering… but that was a nice “interpretation”, I had a good laugh. Cheers!

  35. Commuter

    @ yorkstrike2008

    Email Jeremy, the Executive Director of YFS.
    executivedirector@yfs.ca

  36. You should all check this website out.

    http://www.3903strike.ca/

    There is a rally planned for this Wednesday with a guest speaker from Uni of Georgia.

    Seems highly unlikely this strike is going anywhere any time soon.

  37. F-Ed Up

    @ ram

    Sorry I didn’t answer your question in a timely manner, I was away from the computer.

    I think that a couple ppl answered your question, but in regards to my statements, I was just making a logical leap of faith assuming that at this point, with neither side talking, a Dec start is highly improbable (which I mentioned on the last thread).

    Unfortunately I’m not a science major, testing hypotheses is not what I do 😦
    I interpret textual and visual information lol

  38. MR Two

    I want to rally to start Jan 5th.. no earlier no later at this point.

  39. Lola

    the lollygaging thing was JMac making a reference to to a previous joke/debate on whether or not “sourpuss” was a sexist remark. No one actually thinks it’s sexist or gives reference to child abuse. lol

    @Another Student “Oh wow nice child abuse sentiment here”

    hyterical! where is ff when you need em?

  40. Amor

    It’s a nice idea, but I think without a concrete suggestion it’ll be pretty meaningless. Obviously both sides want to finish this, but neither wants to have to give up what they think they need. “Finish this, I don’t care how” isn’t going to convince anyone.

  41. Commuter

    Any news if the two sides are meeting tomorrow?

  42. Ya i’m wondering the same thing…

  43. Hs

    The update that was on York University’s website has been erased for some reason. Is anyone able to see the negotiations update on York’s website?

  44. anonymous

    from what the news states and considering alex bilyk denied about hearing anyhting about a tuesday meeting it does not look like it…so i guess this is another week gone

  45. york_kid

    We should picket their rally, ruin the event.

  46. york_kid

    we should act now, with the intent of classes resuming in Jan.

    If we wait till Jan to do anything, nothing will get done till Feb.

  47. Stef

    Bad news guys,
    We’re quabbling about a December vs. January start…but they’re still so far apart in terms of bargaining. Maybe this is a moot point, considering the last strike lasted something like 80 days. I’m just so turned off the whole thing, I’m just using this as an opportunity to make up the funds I’ll be losing come May. It would be nice if the union and university decided to raise MY pay, or reduce tuition next year to accommodate this.
    Maybe I’ll go on strike demanding it. 😉

  48. This strike makes grad school applications extremely complicated and possibly impossible. I’m very anxious for this semester to end and to be back in school so I can get these applications completed before their deadlines.
    So it might seem that this feeling is fueled by selfishness, but in reality I think that this strike continues because of selfishness.
    Stop compromising my education!

  49. Commuter

    I would like to thank Tom in the other thread for making me aware of this.

    The mediator said they will NOT be meeting tomorrow (or any time in the near future).

    Statement from Greg Long, mediator for the Ontario Ministry of Labour, issued Dec. 1:

    The mediator has advised the parties that although there has been some movement in recent days, the parties remain far apart on the key issues in this dispute and that a settlement is not close at hand.

    Therefore, there are no further negotiations scheduled at this time.

    The mediator has asked to parties to review their respective positions and will remain in contact with the parties with a view to returning to the bargaining table if and when a reasonable prospect for settlement exists.

    Greg Long
    Mediator
    Ontario Ministry of Labour

  50. CUPE member with child

    If you guys want a forum for your protest, there’s a York University Board of Governors meeting going on tomorrow. Here’s the info:

    Board of Governor’s (BOG) meeting
    being held downtown (without public notice). This meeting is open to members of
    the community (that means you).

    Tuesday, December 2nd, 3:30 pm

    BOG meeting at the TD Bank Tower (66 Wellington – corner of Bay and Wellington).

    For your info – The BOG is the governing body for the financial overseeing of York. It will consist of the University President, one or more Deans, community members, faculty members, student reps, etc.

  51. confused

    This is supposed to be a web site where the students become educated about what has been going on in the strike. Don’t you think that storming into York to “protest” and show everyone how pissed all the students are will have a more negative effect? Honestly, since we have been off for so long, and the main point of finishing this strike early is to get us back into school, the union and the york administration would have already come to a conclusion and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion.

    What I am trying to say is it seems like the entire bargaining table doesn’t realize that this is a business and the service that this business is supposed to deliver is the education of it’s students. 50,000 student’s futures have now been put in limbo, we shouldn’t be worried about whether we will have to study for exams, finish assignments, etc. In a real business world, in which we are getting prepared for, there is no such thing as an ambiguous deadline. Give the employee a date, and have it done by then.

    This Website needs to stick to facts, not get emotional about the strike and does not need to be commenting about ‘lollygagging’ being used in a post. This is a message to York and all of the students, this isn’t entertainment, it is your student’s lives (our lives) that you are messing with and everyone needs to grow up and figure out a way to solve this problem.

  52. ram

    So the truth is there is no meeting tomorrow.. But THE UNION MIGHT REALLY COME DOWN IN THEIR DEMANDS (especially in the key issues that remain sticky points in negotiations) ON THE WEDNESDAY GMM. WE WILL KNOW ON WEDNESDAY HOW ADAMANT/STUBBORN THE UNION IS IN ITS KEY DEMANDS…

    IF THEY REMAIN WITH THE SAME DEMANDS I AM SURE THE STRIKE IS GONNA TAKE THROUGH OUT DECEMBER…
    But If they really come down to the university OFFER THEN THE END IS NOT FAR IN SIGHT…. SO WE SHALL DECIDE CONCRETELY BASED ON THEIR UPDATES ON THE WEDNESDAY GMM…

  53. Andrew

    lol Cupe with child. No surprise you don’t post when CUPE’s next meeting is going to be. You talk so much about the schools propaganda, yet basically, you’re doing the same thing. “here guys, here is all their info, where the mean powerful school is holding their meeting. What…what am I pushing under the carpet…”

    The street goes two ways here. BOTH GROUPS need to come together. Sorry, but your post just smells of “We are right, they are wrong..end of story”.

  54. I don’t even know what to say.
    York is so so so pathetic and horrible.
    I want to transfer or quit.
    Ruled by leftists and hippies.
    I can’t even say anything. I am speechless.

  55. jack

    QUESTION:

    So far it seems to me that we’re not going back till January, BUT is it actually a possibility that they could drag it out into the middle of January?

    That’s not a real possibility is it?

  56. Bobert

    the YFS is delightfully useless, while true they do have some resources in terms of school funding, I doubt they would be to any use to us for the purposes of any sort of protest for the following reasons:

    a: right at the beginning of this strike the president of the union provided his unconditional support to cupe3903, rather than the 50,000 undergraduates he was supposedly elected to represent

    b: not too long ago the YFS president shredded whatever credibility he had left by engaging in a well publicized and undoubtedly nonconstructive meeting with University President Shoukri.

    c: so far much of the substantive updates we’ve received on this strike has come not from the university website nor CUPE3903’s (funny I thought that were the two sides involved) , its come from blogs like these to the moderators credit (thanks for your work so far guys). The YFS “Town Hall Meetings” have only proven how much bovine excrement our esteemed council is full of.

    I want this thing to end as much as anyone, but it will only end as soon as both sides pop the fantasy bubble that they both seem to be firmly inside right now.

  57. annoyed

    listen. if the strike does not end by this week I truly do not believe they will make us go back for 2 weeks. they are fully aware that there are students who flew home during the strike etc. to go back to school for 2 weeks is not only pointless but a waste of time. one week spent on a schedual the other spent doing work. It is still not enough. It makes more sense to go back in january when we will not be as rushed to finish up now. All these polls are starting to get annoying, they won’t change anything.

  58. Mike Oxbig

    Go Leafs Go!!!

  59. Mike Oxbig

    My Cocks Big

  60. Impatient

    “From what I recall of the CUPE 3903 strike that began in Nov 2000 and ended in Jan 2001, there was a compressed second semester. The regular school year finished very close to the beginning of the Summer semester.”

    “Depending on the length of the disruption, the York University Senate will recommend a certain procedure and timeline to Course Directors.”

    “If the strike ends this month, there will be a period determined by the Senate for making up lost class time. After that, there will be an exam period. Once the Fall semester is done, then the Winter semester will begin. The Winter semester can be compressed (ie. no Spring Break) to ensure it ends around the same time that it would have ended if there wasn’t a strike. ”

    “labour disruptions usually fall under ‘force majeure’ clauses for workplace insurance (if there’s half-decent legal counsel on staff), and the university is under no obligation to compensate the lost money…ah, here’s the website, I typed ‘force majeure’ in the university search engine
    http://www.yorku.ca/rocal/enrolmentguides/fw08/general/notice.htm

    “Also keep in mind that the university IS open until December 23rd…I’ll certainly be coming to work until then, like most other working people. So if the strike ends this month, classes may continue until the 23rd…”

    All these are what a couple of my profs had said on another blog, maybe they might provide some insight as to what can happen, or you can choose to view it as useless.

  61. art

    @annoyed

    no matter how “truly” you believe that to be the case, I doubt that the uni will just write off two good weeks of classes. The admin may be greedy capitalists, but they are not stupid.

    My advice: especially during our situation- plan for, and expect the worse. Whether that means a shorter or longer strike in your view i’m not sure. Just make sure your ass is ready if this thing ends abruptly. I don’t think the university will be passionate to course reappraisal submissions that cite “university strike” as an excuse.

  62. Impatient

    The following is what a couple profs had said on other blogs, some may find it useful as it may provide some insight as to what can happen, or you can just view it a useless..

    “From what I recall of the CUPE 3903 strike that began in Nov 2000 and ended in Jan 2001, there was a compressed second semester. The regular school year finished very close to the beginning of the Summer semester”

    “Depending on the length of the disruption, the York University Senate will recommend a certain procedure and timeline to Course Directors.”

    “If the strike ends this month, there will be a period determined by the Senate for making up lost class time. After that, there will be an exam period. Once the Fall semester is done, then the Winter semester will begin. The Winter semester can be compressed (ie. no Spring Break) to ensure it ends around the same time that it would have ended if there wasn’t a strike. ”

    “labour disruptions usually fall under ‘force majeure’ clauses for workplace insurance (if there’s half-decent legal counsel on staff), and the university is under no obligation to compensate the lost money…ah, here’s the website, I typed ‘force majeure’ in the university search engine
    http://www.yorku.ca/rocal/enrolmentguides/fw08/general/notice.htm

    Also keep in mind that the university IS open until December 23rd…I’ll certainly be coming to work until then, like most other working people. So if the strike ends this month, classes may continue until the 23rd…”

  63. Y.U

    I agree with “York Student”
    How come all of a sudden people want to go back when last week no one wanted to go back until January. I think going back now will mess up routines even more…too much off and on with schooling from the summer break to the srike then back in school for 2 weeks or whatever. Then off for actually christmas break…THEN back again…THEN off again while we write exams. Plus the longer christmas break we usually have is a good time to make money for tuition etc. Iv had a job lined up since the summer and there will be no way for me to make enough money if we have to go back to school until the 23rd.

  64. Mary Beth

    I was going to finally leave a comment…but considering that the last post wanted to “post” himself…this is futile.

  65. Poor Student

    @ strike busters

    I want to get back to school as much as all of you. But that doesn’t mean I think collective bargaining should be thrown out the window.

    I’ve experienced two school strikes previous to this, one in elementary school and one in high school…
    yeah it sucks!

    But, collective agreements are part of what make sthis country great!

  66. @Poor Student

    I do not think that anyone here is pushing for back to work legislation or anything crazy like that.

    The goal of this proposed protest is simply to say “Please, hurry the fuck up”.

  67. Hey maybe you can post the information under this link. It is all available on the York website.

    http://www.yorku.ca/mediar/archive/Release.asp?Release=1567

    It states:

    For Release By the Parties. 8:30 p.m. December 1, 2008

    The mediator has advised the parties that although there has been some movement in recent days, the parties remain far apart on the key issues in this dispute and that a settlement is not close at hand.

    Therefore, there are no further negotiations scheduled at this time.

    The mediator has asked the parties to review their respective positions and will remain in contact with the parties with a view to returning to the bargaining table if and when a reasonable prospect for settlement exists.

    Greg Long
    Mediator
    Ontario Ministry of Labour”

  68. Sliding in ...

    Has anyone else heard that some TAs have been sneaking back into the school to get some of their own work done so they domn’t fall behind in THEIR studies?

  69. Relaxo-Grad

    @ Ram

    ..seriously. Enough with the CAPS lock. I’m going to come down and take it away from you. It’s impossible and extremely irritating to read your posts.
    Relax guy.

  70. Impatient

    The following is what a couple profs had said on other blogs, some may find it useful as it may provide some insight as to what can happen, or you can just view it a useless..

    “From what I recall of the CUPE 3903 strike that began in Nov 2000 and ended in Jan 2001, there was a compressed second semester. The regular school year finished very close to the beginning of the Summer semester”

    “Depending on the length of the disruption, the York University Senate will recommend a certain procedure and timeline to Course Directors.”

    “If the strike ends this month, there will be a period determined by the Senate for making up lost class time. After that, there will be an exam period. Once the Fall semester is done, then the Winter semester will begin. The Winter semester can be compressed (ie. no Spring Break) to ensure it ends around the same time that it would have ended if there wasn’t a strike. ”

    “labour disruptions usually fall under ‘force majeure’ clauses for workplace insurance (if there’s half-decent legal counsel on staff), and the university is under no obligation to compensate the lost money…ah, here’s the website, I typed ‘force majeure’ in the university search engine
    http://www.yorku.ca/rocal/enrolmentguides/fw08/general/notice.htm

    “Also keep in mind that the university IS open until December 23rd…I’ll certainly be coming to work until then, like most other working people. So if the strike ends this month, classes may continue until the 23rd…”

  71. F-Ed Up

    @ jack

    Due to the extreme lack of real info which has been released by either side, it’s difficult to predict when this thing might come to an end.

    At the moment, I think many of us are assuming that because this weekend’s talks went so badly, there’s very little chance of returning before January 5.

    If no serious talks or negotiations occur over the next month (which I think we are assuming is possible, given that the strike lasted almost a month before these last negotiations took place), there’s the possibility that they won’t resume talks until the beginning of January. In that case, the strike won’t end until they settle every outstanding issue (I don’t remember how many there are now – something like 120?) and the union votes York’s offer. This could take over a week, bringing us into mid January.

    So I know that this is all speculation, but unfortunately there is almost no source of unbiased info at the moment when it comes to what is likely or unlikely to happen at this point.

  72. Lola

    “It would appear, unofficially, to a seasoned veteran that classes will not resume this month. Never-the-less students who must leave for jobs should follow the same sensible procedure outlined yesterday for those needing to travel. Send a note to your instructors with a copy to chairs of appropriate departments before you leave.”

    this was the message sent to me from winters college

  73. Relaxo-Grad

    Lola…interesting

  74. ram

    @ Relaxo-Grad
    Hey do you have any problem with your eyes..You better consult an ophthalmologist.. Because it is unpleasantly surprising that CAPS are irritating your eyes.. RELAX….

  75. ram

    It is quite true that negotiations would not resume any time this week (Mediator’s confirmation)… Even if they were to resume next week it will take considerable amount of time for movement and real progress to be made… The university now knows that it is ridiculous to start the school in the last week as nothing fruitful can be done..

  76. York Parent

    RE: the protest – it’s about time! I was wondering how long it would take before you got organized and actually did something profoundly unsettling – right now protests are the only way to get anyone’s attention. Of course, you could go one better and withdraw officially EN MASSE and start applying to other schools. Believe me, that would get ’em talking. Without you, York is finished. $$$$$ – that’s what it is all about. Get organized!!! You have to act now if you hope to be in class in January.

    A York parent and York alumni 1980

  77. @Andrew, great comment.

    @TA’s opinion, it’s comments likes yours that make me roll my eyes until they fall out of my head. so smug.

  78. Ridculous

    @york2008
    Yes, I am tired of the big bad powerful school slant or that horrible union has no right to strike stance. If we protest it must be neutral

    Here is link on York’s site that has a statement signed by the provincial mediator: http://www.yorku.ca/mediar/archive/Release.asp?Release=1567

    Not taking sides but who has been caught with their pants down?

    You can’t convince me union full of contract profs, GAs and TAs don’t understand that they request was irrelevant in the face of the mediator suspending talks till new proposals are tabled.

  79. F-Ed Up

    @ ram and Lola

    And this is why people shouldn’t be worried about a Dec start at this point – so to everyone who fears a Dec start, please don’t let that fear be the impediment to becoming involved in student-led initiatives!

  80. oh really...

    If the union and the university are still so far apart, what makes everyone so sure we are going to start in January? I mean, it is possible, but January 5th does NOT sound probable at this point.

    Seriously though, how long is this thing “allowed” to go? Is it true we loose our year if it goes beyond January 12th? What happens to summer school and stuff?

  81. F-Ed Up

    @ oh really…

    “Is it true that we loose our year if it goes beyond January 12?”

    I have no idea if this is true, but I was just curious to know where you found this info. I’ve been trying to find anything resembling a rough timeline of outcomes for this strike but I haven’t even heard a single rumour, let alone anything tangible.

  82. ram

    York has raised 160 million dollars for its annual party to celebrate its 50th anniversary. The YFS has given a media release stating that the administration has to prioritize between utilizing the money for the party or ending the strike by allocating those funds for CUPE demands.. Does anybody feel york would listen to their suggestion..?

  83. Impatient

    I posted this earlier today, its stilll awaiting mediation because there is a link in it, but here it is again, ignore the double post:

    The following is what a couple profs had said on other blogs, some may find it useful as it may provide some insight as to what can happen, or you can just view it a useless..

    “From what I recall of the CUPE 3903 strike that began in Nov 2000 and ended in Jan 2001, there was a compressed second semester. The regular school year finished very close to the beginning of the Summer semester”

    “Depending on the length of the disruption, the York University Senate will recommend a certain procedure and timeline to Course Directors.”

    “If the strike ends this month, there will be a period determined by the Senate for making up lost class time. After that, there will be an exam period. Once the Fall semester is done, then the Winter semester will begin. The Winter semester can be compressed (ie. no Spring Break) to ensure it ends around the same time that it would have ended if there wasn’t a strike. ”

    “labour disruptions usually fall under ‘force majeure’ clauses for workplace insurance (if there’s half-decent legal counsel on staff), and the university is under no obligation to compensate the lost money…ah, here’s the website” type ‘force majeure’ in the york search engine and you’ll find your proof.

  84. Ridculous

    I for one do not want to get involved in negotiation details. All these $ talk can be deceptive…York is a huge campus there is the cost of building maintenance, construction (research archives bldg), landscaping, custodial staff, secretaries, general admin…bottom line is there is a lot of talk about York surplus and the cost in comparison to CUPE 3903’s demands but really there are more expenses at York.

    I for one believe contract faculty deserve better than they are getting and feel they deserve job security. In fact it is shocking to realize people with Phds can be treated so shabbily in the work place. It is very difficult to get a mortgage, etc. when you only have contract work that extends anywhere from 4 to 8 months. This is deeply unfair.

    BUT to get into how York allocates money or what they do with their surplus is absurd. The university is official a “not for profit” organization thus it must justify their savings.
    There is talk of a futur medical school at York to re-train foreign Dr.’s to Canadian standards. What is the cost of establishing a medical school 160 million perhaps?

  85. ram

    I found this on the university updates on the negotiations..
    The link that i will be pasting has the important highlights of the demands and the university’s calculations.. you can have a look at that…

    http://webapps.yorku.ca/NegotiationsUpdates/doc/Highlights%20of%20the%20latest%20proposal.pdf

  86. oh really...

    @ F-Ed Up

    I honestly just heard that as a rumour from somebody at work. I am unaware of thier source for that, but rumours come from somewhere.

    To me, it doesn’t make any sense, and even if such a possibility were true, I highly doubt that would be the determining date. I just asked about that hear because I want to clarify it

  87. Impatient

    @Andrew completely agree

    but, the union has their next 2 GMM meetings posted on their website, with a date/time/location,

  88. dcb

    What’s the precedent concerning legal action against the union and University? Could we not somehow get a bunch of pissed off Osgoode students to help us put together a class action lawsuit?

    I know I’m going to lose significant wages if the year is extended, not to mention that when I graduate my Degree will not be looked upon with as much respect as say, Waterloo or Queens or any other University that hasn’t gone on strike.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?

  89. Ridculous

    @dcb

    I think that is a great idea maybe we someone should approach Osgoode student for their take on this matter.

  90. Commuter

    Anybody know why CUPE’s latest version of “On the Lines” is published in a font not readable on my computer?

    It’s a bunch of dots!

  91. yorkstrike2008

    @dcb

    There are some Osgoode students on here , or at least there were before their classes restarted, and they said that legal action is futile. No judge would set such precedence, in their opinion.

  92. i am offended that other ppl are offended.

    question:
    some of us had mid term exams scheduled a few weeks ago. if we go back to school before jan (for classes) will we have those mid terms then ?

    thanks in advance guys

  93. Impatient

    @dcb

    “labour disruptions usually fall under ‘force majeure’ clauses for workplace insurance (if there’s half-decent legal counsel on staff), and the university is under no obligation to compensate the lost money…ah, here’s the website”

    They do not have to reimburse because of that clause in their disclaimer.

  94. F-Ed Up

    @ oh really…

    That’s cool, at this point I’m interested in entertaining any idea, no matter the source lol

    I was just hoping that maybe it was a prof or something.

  95. MR Two

    Screw it, I’ve booked myself for fulltime work during December.

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  97. Strike Fun

    @ Jmac

    that made me lolol. Now on the subject of the strike, the belligerent parties just have to stop being such sourpusses, suck it up and make friends so we can all go to school again. damn sourpusses.

  98. Tired of no school

    Hi,

    I am unable to find the date of the protest, or have i overlooked it?

    Thank you

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