Exams will probably not be held before Dec. 23rd

 

So today is November 30th and that means that today is the 24th day of this strike. It also means that there are only 23 more days until December 23rd, which is the last possible date before January the University is permitted to hold academic activity. I should not speculate here but I know that many of you are looking for some guidance or information for plans you have scheduled for December that were planned around the ‘original’ exam schedule. I will say that it is highly unlikely that we will be back in class this coming week. The meeting fell apart because the parties are just too far apart. Even if they had agreed to something on Saturday that would have required a Union GMM on Monday to ratify it, then the University would have to ratify the agreement as well and then there would have to be some sort of grace period given to students to restart school. That was the best possible outcome. However, we are very far away from that right now.

That said, now consider that today is day 24 of this strike and there are only 23 more days until the 23rd of December and that this week is most likely (99.99%) a write off. The University will have to make up 24 (plus this week coming up = 31 days) days of lost classes in 16 days (23 days minus 7 days for this week coming up). Note that these figures include weekends which I believe they cannot hold classes for religious observances – so the amount of time is further reduced for remedial classes. It does not look like there is sufficient time to catch up with classes and hold exams before December 23rd. The window is closing so to speak.

I worked this out a few days ago and told my parents to include me in their vacation leaving the 22nd. I thought I would share this with you since it is the 24th and sort of a significant day for the duration of this strike and perhaps will help settle some of your minds.

If you have tickets booked that cannot be cancelled, and even if we do get back to classes before the 23rd, I am sure a couple days of missed classes won’t hurt. It certainly wouldn’t hurt as much as losing a $1000 plane ticket!

Like I said, this is only my prediction and although I do consider it a safe and educated one do not mark my words on this. Anything could happen and I am certainly no crystal ball.

 

Note: I am not responsible for losses or damages caused by any use of the above information. They are personal opinion only.

Cheers

YorkStrike2008

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41 responses to “Exams will probably not be held before Dec. 23rd

  1. Cam

    Thanks Yorkstrike2008 for your input. I agree with everything you’ve said in this post. Just want to give my gratitude for keep is updated all this time.

  2. Ridculous

    Yes, thanks for the updates and the site.

  3. ff

    Protip:
    Have your assignments done before you go. (Just in case!)

  4. Alexandra

    Hi Everyone,

    Thanks so much for keeping us all updated on this forum, it has been a huge help:)

  5. 50,00 students – Some just started at York and will probably transfer after this, some living on residence forced to move back as they wasted $, some students who worked hard 4 years to finish their degree and get a job who now have their lives on hold, and the rest losing a semseter of their lives.

    All for what?

    Paramedical care? Childcare? Health care benefits + fund protection?

    Does anyone realize TAs work 10 hours a week? Can you name a single job that works 10 hours a week and receives benefits like that? You want these benefits? Go work 40+ hours a week at any job in Ontario like the rest of everyone, and you will get them.

    Don’t be fooled; there are many, many TAs who break the LOOSE provincial law governing the 10-hour work week standard. There are many TAs who aren’t living alone, aren’t single mothers, are living with their parents and make good extra cash. If one TA really is relying on a compensation of a TA to live a comfortable life, you chose the wrong job.

    You have to mark 500 papers a week? You have long hours? I guess plumbers should complain from back pain, nurses should complain from catching sicknesses. This is the job, the life you chose, the payment, the life is the result of your choices. If you do not like it, get another job.

    I am in no way praising York. If it knew how to settle such labour disputes it would not have a HISTORY of them.

    Originally the idea of unions, a by-product of communism, was created to decrease the earning and power gap between employees and their employers. But after decades, unions lost their way, lead with corrupt leaders, non-democracy-oriented and restrictions on free speech of members of the Union who did not hold significant positions. Today unions are blind by greed, and of course with $, there is no horizon, no limit, CUPE has striked before, and will again, within the next decade, and in the next, again and again.

    The overwhelming majority of students have a simple opinion – this is the life you chose. Don’t ruin ours

    I hope the picketers freeze

  6. ram

    YES.. I am sure the coming week is just gonna go without classes. i m 100 % sure.. Still the university has not confirmed the negotiations on tuesday. Even if there was a talk, an agreement is far from now.. Considering ratification of agreements and atleast 1 – 2 day notice for the students, I think the earliest we shall be back is some time mid next wEEK, if every thing goes well.( which i hope not) haha..

  7. Laura

    student101 – I completely agree.

    If I asked my boss at my part-time, 10 hours per week job for increased health benefits, child care, and a substantial pay raise, she would laugh in my face and tell me to go fold more hoodies.

  8. sam

    Is there any negotiations comming up, I havent read it anywhere all I saw on the news was talks broke off and no scheduled meeting have been made. Does anyone think that we are probably going to go back in January.

  9. Commuter

    @ yorkstrike2008

    I appreciate the post.

    As you mentioned, we most likely will not be going back this week.

    Say we go back next week (hypothetically, for this argument’s sake):

    – Lectures which occur twice a week (say Tuesdays & Thursdays) would have missed 9 classes.
    – Lectures which occur once a week (say Mondays) would have missed 4 classes.

    Let’s look at what would be left in the month of December:

    – 5 times for the Tuesday/Thursday classes to meet, meaning 4 would not be made up for.
    – 3 times for the Monday classes to meet, meaning 1 class would be lost.

    Remember: 1 class period will have to be devoted to establishing a new syllabus!

    I do not know what the Senate defines as remediation consistent with academic integrity, but the Tuesday/Thursday one missed 2 weeks worth of lectures there (4 classes).

    Assuming this remediation is sufficient, there is NO possible way that exams could be held before Christmas. Remediation must occur before examination!

    If the remediation is not sufficient OR if the strike is not resolved by next Monday, more remediation in the new year will likely be necessary.

    Based on this train of thought, I would say it’s 99.99% certain that exams can’t be held before Christmas.

    I fully understand why you said “probably not” (because you’re not the Senate and you don’t want to mislead anybody) but it’s pretty certain that it would be IMPOSSIBLE (even if the exam schedule is compressed, it would still require 1-1.5 weeks) and CONTRARY TO POLICY to hold exams before the Break.

    I hope this message reassures anybody who had doubts about this.

  10. I think on the other page people were saying Tuesday the union requested a meeting with admin but its not for sure

  11. @ Commuter

    haha with your use of CAPS it is very claer how you feel lol

  12. Commuter

    @ Confused….

    Eh… that was a pretty long sentence, and there’s no bold for emphasis. 🙂

  13. aOK...

    i booked my ticket for dec17 and will be coming back on jan14… any ideas as to what will happen in jan?? i know no one knows for sure but still… do you think exams will take place in the end of jan??? should i deferr?? i am just a bit worried :S

  14. Student

    The Senate did not need to remediate the schedule if the strike was only two weeks long. Is it right to assume that two weeks can just disappear? And that means only two weeks need to be redone?
    I hate this waiting game.

  15. sad

    ps. we wont have exams before december 23rd. it is not enough notice.

  16. ram

    I AM PRETTY SURE THERE IS NO EXAM BEFORE 23. BUT CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHETHER THERE IS TALKS SCHEDULED ANYTIME BEFORE THE NEXT GMM ON WEDNESDAY? I REALLY REALLY PRAY TO GOD THAT SCHOOL RESTARTS ONLY IN JANUARY… YEMEN..

  17. redstar666

    student101–are you for real? do you equate the services provided BY AN E-D-U-C-A-T-O-R to that of a plumber? call me naive for wanting benefits for every human being (TA or plumber) who privy themselves to this shit capitalist labour structure of exploitation and domination–benefits are the least they deserve. .

  18. GG

    Yeah Student101
    Nice comment

  19. Relaxo-Grad

    …call me crazy, but didn’t Student101 post that EXACT same comment in previous topic on this board? (to which the comment was more suited, certainly not for this topic)

    (maybe I spend too much time reading this site)

  20. Nathan

    @ahem, redstar666

    “student101–are you for real? do you equate the services provided BY AN E-D-U-C-A-T-O-R to that of a plumber?”

    When’s the last time a TA fixed his own plumbing? I also note that you conveniently ignored the nurses example.

    Slavsa soyuz, tovarisch.

  21. ama

    when they refer to extending the school year into the summer, how long are we talking?
    what if students plan on taking summer school at york? would that still be an option?
    some people need to graduate their asses out of here before the next big strike!

  22. 47500

    @laura.
    Marking 50 first-year papers a pop *is* the university equivalent of folding hoodies. Except you need one or two university degrees to do it. That’s why profs offload it onto part-time workers. In your retail analogy, teaching courses contract by contract is like being a key-holder/shift supervisor. As you know, in retail, these kinds of people’s “part-time” hours can increase to full-time for “back-to-school” or “Christmas” hours and then be laid-off again. Well, it’s the same at York, except it’s been “prime-time” hours for about 20 years. If there are people at your job who’ve been folding hoodies or holding keys so long they’re ready to retire, they probably should unionize to get some benefits.

  23. Hullo

    Maybe we should just stop reading about this and just enjoy our lives for now. Well at least until this thing gets settled.

  24. ff

    Relaxo-Grad wrote:

    …call me crazy, but didn’t Student101 post that EXACT same comment in previous topic on this board? (to which the comment was more suited, certainly not for this topic)

    (maybe I spend too much time reading this site)

    Yea, i seem to feel I’ve seen this before.
    Maybe they just copy/pasted from the yorknothostage website or something. It is definitely chock full of the ridiculous use of capitalization and feigned indignation that characterize their whole schtick.

  25. “student101–are you for real? do you equate the services provided BY AN E-D-U-C-A-T-O-R to that of a plumber? call me naive for wanting benefits for every human being (TA or plumber) who privy themselves to this shit capitalist labour structure of exploitation and domination–benefits are the least they deserve. .”

    I did not equate the services of a plumber to a TA, I guess you don’t know how to read.

    That sentence’s meaning is that every job has its difficulties; it’s like a nurse complaining she catches sicknesses while woring in the hospital. Or a tattoo artist complainin of back pain.

    I don’t have less respect for a plumber than I do for a TA just because they are in education; I get the feeling by your wording that you seem to however, that’s too bad.

    The tone of your entire response seems like you are some capitalist-bashing pro-union pro-socialist. If that’s the case your entire response has no rational or logic but just opinion based on leftist emotions. If you want everyone to have the same benefits, same income, be equal go move to Cuba or North Vietnam, I’m sure you’ll feel at home there.

  26. alex

    @redstar666

    r u for real? i don’t think this strike is about same benefits to everyone – it’s about benefits to a group. i don’t see picketers having signs “benefits to plumbers”, no sire. and sure not only plumbers deserve benefits = evryone does. but that’s not the point of this strike. so as far as student101 argument goes – it’s completely reasonable to compare one group of people to another. what u do here is called “demagogy “

  27. Hameed

    In the 2001 strike which lasted 11 weeks or so…what was the end result for the students??..were classes pushed back 11 weeks?

  28. silent till now

    apparently the information on the yorku website is misleading. The mediator has recommended to suspend talks but CUPE has requested to meet with the university on tuesday to further negotiations. Here is the inside scoop from CUPE’s end.
    ………………………………………………………………….
    Apprently this is not true and i wanted to post CUPE’s response so that we are all in the loop.

    3903 Negotiations Update – Nov 29

    Published on 29 Nov 2008

    CUPE 3903’s bargaining team met with York University representatives on Thursday, Friday and Saturday. Some progress was made but the University’s bargaining team continues to stonewall our key demands for job security for contract faculty, reinstatement of benefits and funds to 2005 levels, and a subsistence wage adequate for the cost of living in Toronto.

    Important clarification: Talks have not been “suspended” by the mediator. CUPE 3903 has requested a continuation of talks on Tuesday, December 2nd. In the meantime our bargaining team is using the time to streamline proposals with a view to accelerating progress towards an agreement. Likewise, we look forward to the University making a meaningful shift by substantively addressing the Union’s priorities.

    The hostile tone of York University’s communications is cause for concern for all members of the university community and the public. The continued and misleading use of mid-negotiation numbers and figures only serves to create confusion and an antagonistic environment which can only undermine the speed with which a settlement can be reached. York University students, undergraduates and graduates alike, should not be treated as pawns in cynical public relations strategies. Students’ real interests, the quality and accessibility of education in the classroom, should be driving York to negotiate energetically at the bargaining table rather than engaging in destructive rhetoric in the press. CUPE 3903 continues to be committed to reaching a fair and equitable settlement with the University in the shortest amount of time.

    Students who are concerned about the effects of the University’s stance on their education should make their views known to President Shoukri, and Alex Bylik, Director of Media Relations.

    Mamdouh Shoukri, President and Vice-Chancellor (mshoukri@yorku.ca)

    Office of the President of York University
    Tel: 416-736-5200 / Fax: 416-736-5641

    Alex Bilyk, Director of Media Relations at York University

    Tel: 416-736-5603 / email: bilyk@yorku.c

    here’s an easy way for electronic action:
    http://cupe.ca/action/3903-york

  29. redstar666

    @student 101

    You wrote: “I did not equate the services of a plumber to a TA, I guess you don’t know how to read”

    And I absolutely agree w/ your clarification: “every job has its difficulties; it’s like a nurse complaining she catches sicknesses while [working] in the hospital. Or a tattoo artist complainin of back pain”

    My response: the unique difficulties (be it for a nurse [that’s for you Nathan], plumber, or tattoo artist) are prevalent for those who actually labour and perhaps not so much for those who can afford to clone their deceased pet out of nostalgia. Oh is that convoluted inference another fain attempt at demagogy alex? Yeah probably. But then what do you call this: “this is the job, the life you chose, the payment, the life is the result of your choices. If you do not like it, get another job” from the infamous student101?

    Moreover, your remark student101: “I don’t have less respect for a plumber than I do for a TA just because they are in education; I get the feeling by your wording that you seem to however, that’s too bad.”

    My clarification: If it was a matter of “respect” then yes, student101 you correctly identified an asshole (me), but it is not respect (and if you could clarify what gave that “feeling” I would greatly appreciate it), it is a matter of purpose. Although keeping w/ my “capitalist-bashing pro-union pro-socialist” opinion that all labourers should have the benefits and security they all deserve (because they productively participate in society), call me discriminatory when I say I have a special warm, fuzzy place in my heart for educators who do not know their employment status in four months time when their contract expires,

    who are assigned their course only ONE MONTH before classes start making it impossible to order course material and have it on time in the bookstore,

    who are not awarded according to their qualifications (some TAs even have pHDs).

    What if I don’t appeal to this? I should pack up and “go move to Cuba or North Vietnam.” I’m sure a neo-con, capitalist supporter like yourself would love to just round all us dissenters of the status quo and ship us far far away. . .

  30. Congratulations it took you 8 paragraphs with nice big words to fill in to tell me to fk off.

    Reality:

    – People who work 10 hours a week are not entitled to benefits legally

    ^– WHETHER people think it’s RIGHT or WRONG is not relevant. This is how our country is set up.

    ^– WHETHER or not you have some “warm fuzzy place in your heart for educators” doesn’t mean anything. They are employees, as are janitors, as are professors, as are secretaries at Atkinson, as are Administrative Assistants.

    Anyone who works 10 hours a week and goes up to their employer demanding benefits will be first ridiculed then fired.

    Since “all labourers should have the benefits and security they all deserve (because they productively participate in society” I guess Foot Locker shoudl give full medical coverage to 16 year olds who work 1 shift a week. And ushers at theatres should get childcare benefits because they are productive memebers of society, helping people find seats.

    You live in a dream, where everyone should be getting equal benefits and compensation. This doesn’t exist in Canada and as long as it remains closely tied to a fully-capitalist U.S., will probably never happen.

    It’s quite obvious where you stand in your political views, and you are entitled to them.

    Unfortunately politics aside, in real life, the overwhelming majority of students who have been royally fkd because of part-time ‘educators’ are more geared towards personal responsibility and choice rather than “everyone deserves to get the same benefits, everyone should be equal, we support the strike.”

    Let’s get rid of wages and classes! Professors and TAs should get equal pay! Security officers should get paid the same wage as lawyers! Everyone must get same benefits!

    Once you snap out of la-la land let us know.

  31. Mike Oxbig

    Hameed…the answer is….homeless

  32. Hullo

    lol @mike
    So what’s the end-result for us?

  33. 47500

    Arrgh! Student 101! This is not about 10 hours a week! Full-time graduate students, making a 2-6 year commitment to the university have historically been subsidized at a living wage, in return for some hours of service to the university. For heaven’s sake, back in the Middle Ages when the monks ran the universities, it was that way. I mean, yeah, if you were in training to join the monastery it was crappy work for a long time, sweeping the floors and all, and probably not a lot of child-care benefits, but it’s not like you had to get a part-time job in the town tavern to subsidize your keep. They fed you and took care of you when you were sick, and in return you gave them your brains and your work for the rest of your life! Contract faculty want benefits because they’ve already made that committment to the university, and they work more than 10 hrs a week! (one course is counted as more than that!) and yet they don’t get the same access to benefits as every other unionized group on campus, such as secretaries, janitors and professors! Because they are “contract” workers, who “just happen” to have worked full-time for years. Your arguments make total sense but only if the picture is as you describe it, and it’s not!!!

  34. B

    You realize this post was entirely unnecessary. You could have just reasoned the no exams in December by citing the recent Senate decision regarding exams with Osgoode.

  35. selin

    york 2008 if u think this post is funny, u r really salakish….:))

  36. 8700

    so if i wanted to go on a trip – can i leave this weekend? haha, or do you think classes will resume next week?

  37. Hameed

    I planned on leaving Toronto in May…totally screwed now..

  38. amy doan

    @ 8700

    the answer is up to you because no one can possibly tell what is going even the next day

  39. Self-Hating TA

    Student101 you are more emo than the Cupe logo. Good God. Most TAs don’t even agree with the strik.

  40. Self-Hating TA

    Typo… *strike

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