Union to Meet with Mediator Tomorrow


STAFF REPORTER
The union representing striking workers at York University is hoping to head back to the bargaining table in a bid to end the more than two-week old strike.

The Canadian Union of Public Employees 3903, which represents teaching assistants and temporary faculty at the school, is planning to present a new list of demands to a mediator on Monday in hopes of meeting with university administrators later this week.

“There will be a new framework,” said Christina Rousseau, chair of CUPE 3903.

She declined to say how the framework would differ from the union’s previous bargaining position, but indicated that job security for contract instructors and wages would both be issues.

For its part, York officials will wait until the union has met with the mediator to decide whether to sit down with the union.

 

“We will take our cues from the mediator, who will determine the best time to get together,” said university spokesperson Alex Bilyk.

 

Source: http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/541958

 

So I wasn’t going crazy then! It appears that it is not the Union and the Admin that are sitting down on Monday but the mediator who will report back to the Admin any promising developments. Well it looks as some more fruitful dialogue must come out of the Union’s new moves. The only thing sitting in my head now is that the Union has moved on everything substantially except the two year agreement. York is going to be stuck between a rock and a hard place to justify not accepting that. It has been interesting to watch their propaganda machine claw at the ludicrous financial demands of the Union when the real issue is clearly the 2 year contract demand. I think York has backed themselves into a corner and will be forced to accept a 2 year contract.

 

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  1. flushafleshfarm

    One way or the other, we’re gonna know where we stand pretty soon. If this doesn’t work we can all leave for alternate workstations. Thursday the 27th at the earliest, Monday the 1st at latest, or else we’re done for a while. I wouldn’t be so sure that York will put us back in class. The 2 year agreement has been rejected for the last 10 months. They may also continue to insist on binding arbitration. If another level of ugliness exists, and it definitely may, it is right around the corner.

    Bait and switch.

    flusha

  2. things that make you go hmmmm.

    I doubt that York will want us to “get back to classes” after the regular end of term date in the first week of December. A lot of the support staff and YUSA faculty will have other vacation plans already in place for the month of December, and they will not be able to recind those vacation days easily or universally. My bet is for a one week” wrap up the fall term” some time in January. It won’t be until January sometime that the admin will actually begin to feel the heat. Ultimately – they cannot afford to refund our tution and the cannot afford to have the revenue stream for May/June/July/Aug courses disrupted greatly, so they will have to actually get down to bargaining in January.

    York U has to undertand that the 2 yr contract is a CUPE national issue, and the locals are not going to move on that issue.

    The only question is exactly how many hours of lectures are we going to miss. No biggie – lots of people skip lectures anyhow. Those that attend often don’t bother to read the textbook ( apparently there is not enough time for both) so if everyone make an effort to learn the prescribed course material on their own, there should be no issues.
    It’s the performance classes and lab classes that get messed up becase they cannot make up the ‘hands on’ time. That’s the drag.

  3. Jay

    @hmmmmmm

    Well said. I agree completely with your view. Unfortunate? Yes, but it is the reality

  4. 1 out of 50,000

    Vacation doesn’t kick in for most of these people till end of exam period. If this ends, it’s likely we are back in classes during what would have been exam period. The university is still an open campus during exam period. End of term doesn’t signal a shut down for offices and all. Additionally, there are offices open during the holiday break. These only shut down for the expected days – Christmas, New Year’s

  5. Nalisa

    What happens to the essays due in theory now? Should we work on them anyway and email them to our profs when they’re done?
    My concern is that once we get back to classes, these essays will all be due at the same time and us students will not have worked on them during the strike and be screwed.

    Also, they can’t just cancel the year, can they? What happens to those of us who are supposed to graduate this spring? If we apply to graduate schools and teacher college programs and we don’t graduate those universities will black list us for the future years.

  6. I feel so sorry for you York undergrad students.

    Strikes bring no good to the society, I don’t care if TA’s are being mistreated in whoever’s perspective, just because you are being mistreated does not mean you should push it onto other’s agendas.

    These are students, students are here to learn. Many of which are on student loans too, yes some work 60hrs+ to pay for it but not everyone is capable doing that and passing undergrad too and you have to respect that. So now you go to Grad, and you get paid to get an education, and you’re “under the poverty line”. That’s if your degree was a job…your grad degree is NOT a job…you’re doing it because the present value of the cost you need to do this is going to reap you the benefits of a better job with better pay at a later date…or else if it’s such bad conditions, don’t do you grad degree for god’s sake

    and job security? Just [edited] and you won’t lose your job. So what if Canadian teachers can’t get fired unless they literally molest a child, that just means job security leads to lack of production…

    Unions and strikes…it’s a poison to society. Want higher pays? Don’t have a union so you don’t have to pay their stupid union fees. Ever calculate how much they leech from you? A strike is just for them to justify that it was worth paying them the premiums. It’s a sick cycle and you’re the suckers convinced they are helping you out.

    I am so glad I made it to another university.

  7. KH

    question for all the analysts and speculators in here- while obviously no one knows when we’re going back to class, given the events and concessions of the last couple of days what do you think the chances are we’ll be back in class soon?

  8. york student

    just wondering if the university is supposed to give the students any sort of notice before school actually starts again (24 hours?)

  9. yorkstrike2008

    @KH

    As you said, it is impossible for anyone to know especially us who are so removed from the entire process. However, from my observations of the Union’s and the Admin’s strategies I think this last GMM and the subsequent new financial proposals the Union is trying to back the University into a corner.

    The Union has been trying to get the 2 year contract for over 10 months now and the University refuses to give that to them as they will almost certainly be signing on for another labour disruption in 2010. If you look back at all the attacks of the University towards the Union’s demands, they have all been about their financial facets and have not touched the 2 year contract issue heavily. Interestingly, the Union has not either. I think the Union is downplaying this whole notion of the 2 year contract so that when it comes down to it the University can not refuse the agree to a much reduced financial demands package with the 2 year agreement. This is where we are now. We must wait for the University’s response.

    I honestly have no idea where the University will go this. It was a well played game by the Union, and if the University accepts it they are being drawn into a much bigger labour fiasco in 2010. And if they reject it they are walking into a PR disaster, and their entire agenda of “Get our 50,000 students back into class now” will be revealed as a grand hypocracy.

    This is why I think the University has been backed into a corner. It will require slick manoevering or sharp teeth to get out of this one. We will see the Admin’s true colours in the days to come…

  10. Guess Who

    Completely agree with you yorkstrike2008.

    This being said, I am completely out of the study mode now and it would be torture for me to get back to classes if the university does accept their new proposal (Although I feel university will still no).

    It would be better if the university just re opened in January with a new mindset and this disruption behind us.

  11. MR Two

    I have a feeling the university will take one last stand… attempt to feel out the response by most, hinting that they want to fight against the union to prevent another labour strike in 2010.

  12. Jay

    @Mr.Two

    I agree with you about the strike of 2010… Im afraid the University might try to turn around and try to fight against that now, avoid the embarrassment in 2 years

  13. yorkstrike2008

    Nalisa,

    Yes! Take this time to catch up on your readings and get as many assignments done as possible. When we get back the schedule will be compressed into a tighter time frame and profs will have little sympathy if you don’t have papers done considering you just had at least a 2-3 week break.

    @Jay

    I agree. I don’t think the Admin. is going to let CUPE get away with a 2 year contract. We are too far into a strike and the admin has already been embarrassed by this entire fiasco for them to give in and face another strike in 2010.

    We shall see…

  14. Jim

    re: “and job security? Just don’t fk up and you won’t lose your job. So what if Canadian teachers can’t get fired unless they literally molest a child, that just means job security leads to lack of production…

    Unions and strikes…it’s a poison to society. Want higher pays? Don’t have a union so you don’t have to pay their stupid union fees. Ever calculate how much they leech from you? A strike is just for them to justify that it was worth paying them the premiums. It’s a sick cycle and you’re the suckers convinced they are helping you out.

    I am so glad I made it to another university.”

    And so are we.

  15. jojojimbo

    Does anyone know where assignments stand if they were major essays but due just before the exam period? Knowing that we are NOT to be penalized ‘academically’ in any way shape or form during a major disruption, will profs turn to the compressed schedule and think, “can a major essay be completed within the 2-3 weeks of classes left, or should I just re-weight the final and whatever assignments/essays were already handed in?”. I’m practically finished everything that was supposed to be due early or mid December and now only worry that they would no longer be counted towards the final grade. Does anyone know if it’s guaranteed that assignments due will be marked regardless of how compressed the new schedule is?

  16. Curious Yorkie

    @ Jojojimbo,
    all your assignments will be due… the deadlines would just be extended or compressed depending on your prof and your course.

  17. Soraya

    I will be crushed if school resumes this week. Not only have I not finished my essay but I have booked driving lessons, etc during this time. Ugh!! Can’t we just %$*#ing start in January?!

  18. Jay

    @Soraya

    I think you’ll be safe Soraya. As hopeful as people are, I think the reality is that nothing will come this week.

  19. Curious Yorkie

    @ Jay,

    We never know, Jay… seems like the Union has made some changes in its demands… of course we have no clue as to what they are… we are definitely not of concern to either of the fighting parties.

  20. cabby

    i definately agree with Jay… neither side seems to care about what happens to us.

  21. Jay

    @Curious

    I am just like you, curious to see what the Union has changed in their demands. Whats even more interesting to me is that they have not hinted at anything, so I’m wondering if the changes are significant. I think a lot of people are putting the cart in front of the horse here and getting a little to excited about a meeting. They met last week, and look at how disastrous that was. Yes, they didn’t make any serious effort to please York, but they same may apply here.

    Also, as I had previously mentioned, neither side seems willing to budge on the contract length. Although there are other significant aspects of the contract the two don’t agree on, this is what I as being the wedge in negotiations.

    To be honest, I wish they would agree give us a time line for classes starting if there was a ratification. Kind of like, we are guaranteed 3 days of notice before classes resume. Although, to be honest, I think we will be at a point were classes can no longer be held before there is a contract *sigh*

  22. Curious Yorkie

    Jay,

    I sorta read somewhere that York was saying, “if other negotiations and adjustments are made and a 2 year contract is all that stands in the way of averting this strike, then we may even agree”.
    Of course, dont quote me on this, but I definitely read this somewhere. That said, of course I understand that was a big PR statment for York. Getting them to agree on this 2 year contract is really hard, unless the Union cuts back their demands significantly. I doubt this would happen… I think the Union will present some reduction in demands, but will hold on to the 2 year contract thing. I am saying all this especially since somewhere in their website, the union had stated that, “The employer and the Union are not too far apart in their demands”.
    So I dont know maybe we will see a few changes… maybe there will be another meeting before the agreement is ratified but probably something significant will come out tomorrow.

    About the 3 day notice thing… perhaps we will get that. but no guarantees. York had stated on their website that classes cud start within 24 hrs if the Union agrees to binding arbitration. Who knows?

  23. yorkstrike2008

    @Curious

    That was Dean Drummond’s response to a question we asked him about a week ago.

  24. a disappointed canadian

    any other country would have fired them by now, rehired them and resumed classes within 5 days max. now whole school is screwed, angry at the wrong people and the reputation of the school is marred by this whole ordeal. GG York. Get your asses back to work and do the job you signed up to do for the pay you signed up to get. Don’t like it then quit, plenty of poorer people than you who are more qualified than you can do your job better than you. The problem with this country is that they don’t even realize that working is truly a privilege, not a right.

  25. sam

    i dont think that cupe 3903 will go for any agreement now because many of the temp profs and T.A’s have planned vacations in december and will want to take that they will probablly agree on something in the new year thats my guess my prof alreday told us through email she is bailing december 9th so i dont know whats going to happen with that its a really hard accounting course and alot must be taught.

  26. JMac

    How could the temp profs or TAs afford a vacation on their tiny wages?

  27. Curious Yorkie

    Hey guys,
    check this out:

    http://www.yorku.ca/ylife/index.asp?Article=755

    its published today and it also says,

    “And yesterday, the York Senate announced those programs would soon be joined by all the Schulich undergraduate international students, whose exchange time is running out, and any domestic undergrads who are preparing for exchanges themselves. Each of those new groups will return to school next week, regardless of negotiations. Meanwhile, all the University’s other undergrads will require an extended term in some form, according to Senate policy.”

    Hmmm.

  28. jack

    @ sam

    haha that’s awesome that she send out that e-mail.
    I wish students had the right to do the same.

  29. sam

    ya i know crazy stuff I wonder how thats going to work out

  30. Relaxo-Grad

    @ Dis. Canadian:

    Bravo. You’re my hero. That’s a message worthy of sending to EVERY Canadian.

    I loathe unions, and unfortunately I’m in school to become a part of one…

  31. Another student

    Does anyone know what time the meeting is scheduled for today?

  32. Lily L

    If the union doesn’t get AT LEAST the 2 year contract thing, then they would have striked over noth–oh wait, they already ARE striking over nothing!!

  33. Like others have said, it IS important to keep up on your studies and do as many assignments as possible. However, for me, a couple of my assignments we didnt even get a handout on the assignment yet nor even talked about it and had a question/answer time about it in class. So I definetly can’t do that one…maybe start to prepare but that’s about it. It’s all about discretion. Do the assignments that you can do and keep on top of the readings. I do believe that profs will be more understanding than others have expressed. I know that my prof said that our test wouldn’t be held right after we come back from the strike even though we were just about to have it when the strike began. 🙂

  34. tired of this

    @yorkstrike2008 or anyone else:

    I’m in the faculty of education and we were supposed to start our 3 week teaching block this week. We have also missed 3 weeks of practicum time during this strike (2x per week) and we are required to have a certain amount of in class teaching hours in order to get our bachelor of education. If the strike continues, do you have any idea what might happen with that? We are supposed to start new practicums at different schools in January, so I don’t know how we are supposed to make up lost time at the school we’re supposed to be at now.

  35. yorkstrike2008

    We asked Dean Drummond that and he said go talk to the Faculty of Education. Everything will be extended and compressed.

  36. Stop the Foolishness

    This situation has gone too far.
    This are taking far too long.
    How does it take 3 weeks to finally decide to meet with a mediator.
    Something should be happening everyday of the strike. In something this serious, there’s no need for “a period of time to cool down”
    The Union doesnt seem to care that time is being wasted, same thing goes for the university.

    While the union and the university are at it with their childish acts.
    The only ones suffering are the students.

    I wonder if there will be any thought put into reimbursing the students for 3 weeks of lost lectures, and lost tuition fees??

    Everyone should be reimbursed for this and for any delays and both the University and the Union should split the bill.
    A formal public apology from both sides towards the students should also be in line.

    Faculty of Education and other professional programs and graduate students suffer doubly.

    Stop the foolishness, and figure something out…it cant be that hard.

  37. Relaxo-Grad

    @ “Tired of This”

    Even if you don’t continue with your placement block this term, you will still have enough class-teaching hours to satisfy your degree. Your actual York classes will be compressed, but you may not get a chance to finish up this block.
    Relax, and enjoy the break. Gut says that we’ll be back by the 1st, so you’ll still have 2 full weeks of block.

  38. I don’t necessarily agree that the admin botched their chance to stand up to the union over the 2010 issue. CUPE has been rather explicit about their plans for 2010, so York can easily make the case to fight them now so they don’t have to fight them later. And from what I’m hearing it’s been kind of a low-key issue among the union rank-and-file, so if push comes to shove, it’s not clear that a lot of them will want to freeze their butts off for another month, just to do the same thing in two years.

  39. whoknows

    Okay I’m very confused. CBC reported that the Union will meet with the mediator today, but on some facebook groups union members are saying there are no such meetings planned. Can someone please explain…

  40. s~

    sigh, guys…ladies, whateverrr…
    i’m tired of this ! all of it !
    only one way we can fix all of this…
    by dancing! DANCINGG!! *shakes bum*

  41. Jay

    @s~

    Easily, the best solution I have heard throughout the strike. I think we should mention it to Union/Administrators!

  42. Art

    So what happened @ the meeting?
    And what exactly is Mediator and what power does it have?

  43. shit

    hey guys latest info:

    “Hi Everyone,

    Below is some important information regarding the strike:

    1. CUPE 3903 has come up with a new offer for the York Administration. This offer will cost much less then the original offer but the York Administration is still refusing to meet with CUPE. At their last GMM CUPE also decided to allow the Bargaining Committee to put forward negotiating points without prior approval of the Executive Committee. If these points are agreed to they will be brought directly to the CUPE membership. this should help speed up the process.

    2. We have set up a meeting with the CUPE Executive for tomorrow morning. We will be meeting with them to discuss steps to help end the strike.

    3. The York Administration has finally set up a time for us to meet with them. We will be meeting with them on Wednesday to discuss getting them back to the bargaining table.

    4. We want to hear from you. The YFS Town Hall will take place tomorrow at 1PM in Founders Assembly Hall. We have invited members of the York Administration and CUPE to be there as well to adress your concerns. To date we have not recieved confirmation for the Administration but members of CUPE will be there.

    Please let me now if you have any questions.

    Jeremy”

    hmmmmmmmm

  44. Newbie First Year

    Since class would have ended a week from tomorrow, is it safe to say all exams are going to be pushed until after the break?
    Or if we were to go back to school tomorrow (hypothetically speaking, of course) would exams be rescheduled for before and after the break?

  45. Krisen

    Anyone have updates?

    What time was the meeting anyway?

  46. biology

    please, can someone inform us about today’s meeting between the cupe representative and the mediator!

    THANK YOU

  47. Art

    The lack of information really starts to piss me off. Why the parties affected the most here (ie students) – are kept in the dark and get so little information? I’m pretty sure nobody’s meeting right now, so where the hell are the results of today’s meeting?
    P.S. sorry, but I’m a little bit frustrated here.. clicking F5 all day with no results.

  48. Another student

    @Art
    Yes, I’d like to know what happened today too. Will the Union and York be meeting tomorrow? Will we be back in classes this week?

  49. Art

    Another student,
    This week? Highly doubtful..
    I like how this site is so much more useful than YorkU website or even Union’s. Blah, I guess I’m done stressing out for today, see you all tomorrow.. and the day after that.. and the day after that…

  50. selin

    has anybody have info regarding today’s meeting?
    uni and union meeting tomorrow?

  51. Commuter

    This is interesting… a message sent out by YFS, and a response from York.

    FACEBOOK MESSAGE FROM YFS:

    Below is some important information regarding the strike:

    1. CUPE 3903 has come up with a new offer for the York Administration. This offer will cost much less then the original offer but the York Administration is still refusing to meet with CUPE. At their last GMM CUPE also decided to allow the Bargaining Committee to put forward negotiating points without prior approval of the Executive Committee. If these points are agreed to they will be brought directly to the CUPE membership. this should help speed up the process.

    2. We have set up a meeting with the CUPE Executive for tomorrow morning. We will be meeting with them to discuss steps to help end the strike.

    3. The York Administration has finally set up a time for us to meet with them. We will be meeting with them on Wednesday to discuss getting them back to the bargaining table.

    4. We want to hear from you. The YFS Town Hall will take place tomorrow at 1PM in Founders Assembly Hall. We have invited members of the York Administration and CUPE to be there as well to address your concerns. To date we have not recieved confirmation for the Administration but members of CUPE will be there.

    Please let me now if you have any questions.

    YORK RESPONSE:

    I do not know where you are getting the information that you have posted in item number one but I insist that you correct your posting immediately and acknowledge your mistake.

    There has been no new offer made to York Administration by CUPE nor has one been brought forward by the mediator as of 6:55pm Monday November 24, 2008. It is irresponsible to be interfering in the Labour Relations process at such a sensitive juncture!

    Secondly, re point number 3, re YFS’s request for a meeting with Rob Tiffin, VP Students and the President, Dr Shoukri which was made on Wednesday, November 19. A time in response to that request by YFS was proposed for last Thursday the 20th at 4:30 pm. Both the President and the VP arrived at the appointed place but no one from YFS attended let alone responded at the time or since. The President and VP both waited till 5pm before they left.

    Finally, point number 4, refers to your invitation sent out to administration was received this afternoon in the President’s Office and a response is forthcoming.

    It has also come to my attention that you have posted item number one on the YFS site. Again I insist that you correct the record in the interests of York’s 50,000 students.

    Alex Bilyk
    Director, Media Relations
    York University

  52. kat

    hey just thought I’d pass on some information. EVEN IF there is a resolution out of these meetings, earliest possible day to get back to classes is Dec. 1

  53. Guess Who

    @kat

    The information that you’ve passed is already known by most of the people.

    In addition to that, lets not forget December 1st is a best case scenario which is highly unlikely.

    Come on York just re open the university in January, let us go back home and enjoy a good winter break instead of making us sit and stress about the strike.

    Gah!

  54. uniondues

    Yorkstrike 2008, you seem to be the resident expert with regards the to updating us on the negotiations which are taking place. From reading your posts, it appears that you have inside info or you are part of the union. Anyway let the rest of the board know how it went today. We are all very interested.

  55. Tom

    Any source for that Kat? I’ve seen a lot of rumours flying around; some saying that after todays meeting, York and the union will be meeting on Thursday to decide…

    I’m just looking for reliable information at this point, really.

  56. Jimmy

    Can we PLEASE have an update of today’s meeting’s minutes?

    This lack of information is highly frustrating. The lack of information of how classes will be handled re: assignment due dates (Everything due on the day we come back or not?) has also not satisfactorily been answered.

    Any official word from either side?

  57. yorkstrike2008

    I have some inside people in the Union, however, as of yet nothing has been reported to me to post. I am receiving information as you are. Some of you have posted some alleged information passed around by YFS (York has denied much of the information) that I will post on the main page.

    As far as I know, the GMM on Thursday was to reduce the amount of demands from 150 to about 20 to make bargaining more feasible and the GMM on Saturday was to re-evaluate the financial demands. I have made a post on this above with my reservations concerning the new proposals. No exact figures are available as of yet as far as I know.

    I am sorry that I am no more help guys.

  58. YorkStudent

    @ Guess who!
    I totally agree with u!
    This is really unfair to US in everyway!

    OMG! i’m soooooo pissed! I’m sitting here F5-ing this page and all the cupe websites!! NOTHING! and I’m also F5-ing the page with plane tickets back home and so far I’ve lost like 20 good deals!
    In normal situation I would be done exams and everthing on the 10th! Now who knows whats gonna happen?

  59. kat

    @ Tom,

    The administration at Osgoode is trying to get osgoode students back in class and passed a resolution supporting that and it is going to the Senate tomorrow for a vote. They emailed us to tell us that if that gets passed, the earliest day for classes would be Dec 1. No classes for anyone until then is what they said

  60. blah

    Hey all,

    Below is my response to the email posted above. Mathew how did you get that email? Did the Administration forward it to you?

    Hi Alex,

    Thank you for your email. I am glad to see the York Administration is monitoring our facebook group with such vigor.

    A new offer was put forward to the mediator by CUPE. Hopefully the Administration will review this offer and agree to meet with CUPE as soon as they can so the strike can end as quickly as possible. I’m not sure if you are on the University bargaining committee so maybe you have not seen the offer. At this point the Administration is not meeting with CUPE. If you can confirm that the York Administration is willing to meeting CUPE about the newest offer that would be great news for all of us.

    At no point did we get a confirmation from the York Administration about a meeting time. In fact we received an email from Ken Fasciano stating that the President was not available and that we should set up a time with VP Tiffin. We did not receive an email response with a time or location. Perhaps that email was lost but I find it odd that both VP Tiffin and President Shoukri would go to a meeting at a time and location that was unconfirmed. Regardless, we do have a meeting with both VP Tiffin and President Shourkri this Wednesday. I will say however that it did take several requests to have a meeting. Our first request was denied right away.

    I am glad that the Administration will be responding to our request to attend the Townhall. Many students have questions and it would be great if a representative could attend. I hope that the response is favourable.

    I will make a quick correction that the new CUPE offer was submitted to the mediator, not the Admin and that we are waiting to see if the York Administration will now be willing to meet with CUPE. I will also take this opportunity to inform the group that the York Administration is monitoring the group.

    Have a nice evening.

    Jeremy

  61. yorkstrike2008

    That is sassy Jeremy,

    I hope you don’t see a grey Rolls Royce Phantom sitting on the street outside your window…;)

  62. go leafs go

    lollol

  63. Art

    yorkstrike2008,
    no worries budd/gal, you are already doing an outstanding job.. I’m so disappointed with other sources that I now only visit this website. Keep up the good work! 🙂

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