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		<title>By: Polly Perfect Pornstar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly Perfect Pornstar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.etnainteractive.com" rel="nofollow">Plastic Surgery that shows the perfect breasts.</a><br />
Is there really such a thing as perfection? Porn, is it a business or just an institution?<br />
I think you answered this in your article. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ayooo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ram ... Are you out of your mind? So they are unwilling to compromise thier positions to save face? York gave in a little, and CUPE is being stubborn with thier demands... Cupe is clearly not willing to &quot;negotiate&quot;. Just because CUPE has &#039;come down&#039; since the beginning of negotiations doesn&#039;t mean that York&#039;s offer of 10% is unreasonable in todays economy.  All that means is that CUPE&#039;s heads were in the clouds to begin with!! The point is, is that CUPE is being UNREASONABLE with thier demands. and to Vote &quot;No&quot; to 10% increase, when people are losing thier jobs speaks to thier true intentions.. They are not looking for a &quot;fair deal&quot; as they claim. They are looking for a one-sided deal. 10% is fair and we all know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ram &#8230; Are you out of your mind? So they are unwilling to compromise thier positions to save face? York gave in a little, and CUPE is being stubborn with thier demands&#8230; Cupe is clearly not willing to &#8220;negotiate&#8221;. Just because CUPE has &#8216;come down&#8217; since the beginning of negotiations doesn&#8217;t mean that York&#8217;s offer of 10% is unreasonable in todays economy.  All that means is that CUPE&#8217;s heads were in the clouds to begin with!! The point is, is that CUPE is being UNREASONABLE with thier demands. and to Vote &#8220;No&#8221; to 10% increase, when people are losing thier jobs speaks to thier true intentions.. They are not looking for a &#8220;fair deal&#8221; as they claim. They are looking for a one-sided deal. 10% is fair and we all know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Commuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we petition the Senate to get them to release our examination schedule now? I mean, they know it&#039;s 12 days, so why can&#039;t they just tell us when each exam is so we have a rough idea? I know they are waiting to give us actual dates, but that&#039;s kind of unfair having to wait at least a week or two from now to know when our exams are. 

I&#039;d just like to know if my exam is on day 3 of the exam period or day 5 or day 12. That&#039;s all I want. Why can&#039;t they do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we petition the Senate to get them to release our examination schedule now? I mean, they know it&#8217;s 12 days, so why can&#8217;t they just tell us when each exam is so we have a rough idea? I know they are waiting to give us actual dates, but that&#8217;s kind of unfair having to wait at least a week or two from now to know when our exams are. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to know if my exam is on day 3 of the exam period or day 5 or day 12. That&#8217;s all I want. Why can&#8217;t they do that?</p>
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		<title>By: ram</title>
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		<dc:creator>ram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ayooo
I would not agree with you. Cupe did make many compromises and that is evident from the fact that they have come down so much already. Reducing it further would make them dumb and the strike meaningless. Many of us here, made fun of them for actually coming down too much initially. 
The true color of the university will show up ONLY IF the union rejects this offer in the forced ratification. Only then will we really know whether the university was really having a tough financial time. 
If it can bow down to the union and give them what they want, Then it will clearly show that the university IS GREEDY which is why it refused to negotiate with a good faith and disguised their unwillingness to pay more in the so called &quot; tough economic situation&quot;..
I really hope the offer gets rejected by the union in the forced ratification. If so, I bet you the university will give whatever the union asks for and put an immediate end to the strike..

I am not supporting any party here. But a rejection will show the true color of both the parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ayooo<br />
I would not agree with you. Cupe did make many compromises and that is evident from the fact that they have come down so much already. Reducing it further would make them dumb and the strike meaningless. Many of us here, made fun of them for actually coming down too much initially.<br />
The true color of the university will show up ONLY IF the union rejects this offer in the forced ratification. Only then will we really know whether the university was really having a tough financial time.<br />
If it can bow down to the union and give them what they want, Then it will clearly show that the university IS GREEDY which is why it refused to negotiate with a good faith and disguised their unwillingness to pay more in the so called &#8221; tough economic situation&#8221;..<br />
I really hope the offer gets rejected by the union in the forced ratification. If so, I bet you the university will give whatever the union asks for and put an immediate end to the strike..</p>
<p>I am not supporting any party here. But a rejection will show the true color of both the parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John

try clearing the cookies for your browser, and then re-entering your name and e-mail</description>
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<p>try clearing the cookies for your browser, and then re-entering your name and e-mail</p>
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		<title>By: Ayooo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ayooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At a meeting between the two parties today, CUPE 3903 did not bring forward any modifications to its existing positions, nor did it bring forward a counter-offer&quot;

CUPE always accuses York of not negotiating... Yet CUPE refuses to COMPROMISE on anything! The foundation of negotiation, is each side has to give in a little... from what we can all see. CUPE isn&#039;t willing to negotiate AT ALL. This is why we refer to this strike as  hostage taking.  STOP being unreasonable and vote Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At a meeting between the two parties today, CUPE 3903 did not bring forward any modifications to its existing positions, nor did it bring forward a counter-offer&#8221;</p>
<p>CUPE always accuses York of not negotiating&#8230; Yet CUPE refuses to COMPROMISE on anything! The foundation of negotiation, is each side has to give in a little&#8230; from what we can all see. CUPE isn&#8217;t willing to negotiate AT ALL. This is why we refer to this strike as  hostage taking.  STOP being unreasonable and vote Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: aguyuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>aguyuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 14:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like to point out, in case no one else has, that this is actually month THREE of this strike. Month two ended with december.

Felt I should point that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like to point out, in case no one else has, that this is actually month THREE of this strike. Month two ended with december.</p>
<p>Felt I should point that out.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ YorkStrike2008

This is unrelated to the thread, but when I initially signed up, I clicked the &quot;notify me of followup comments via email&quot;--foolishly. Now I am being inundated with many emails. When I click the link in the email to manage my subscriptions, I get the error message &quot;You cannot view this page without a valid key&quot;...What do I do to stop the email madness?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ YorkStrike2008</p>
<p>This is unrelated to the thread, but when I initially signed up, I clicked the &#8220;notify me of followup comments via email&#8221;&#8211;foolishly. Now I am being inundated with many emails. When I click the link in the email to manage my subscriptions, I get the error message &#8220;You cannot view this page without a valid key&#8221;&#8230;What do I do to stop the email madness?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: fracas</title>
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		<dc:creator>fracas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Here,

I don&#039;t remember the costing of tuition indexation, sorry, but I&#039;m sure you can probably dig it up on either 3903 or York&#039;s archives. 

@Yorkie,

well, I&#039;d say yes and no, but remember i am now watching it as an outsider while then i was deeply impacted by it, just like most of the posters here are. so my comparison is a bit flawed in that way.

it looks the same to me, or much the same, in terms of the process of bargaining between the two sides. in 2000-01, if i recall correctly , a very long period went on without any talks at all. there was a lot of despair because it did seem like it&#039;ll go on forever. then, bargaining started, went on for a short time, and york requested a forced rat vote. there was a lot of infighting in the union too, so that also seems the same (but also why i would be wary of thinking that infighting in itself means the union will lose support of members at crucial votes - strikes are stressful to those who are striking, so tempers flare, but often union members do end up backing the union when employers force a deal on them or when they think employer is not bargaining in good faith). the proposed remediation period seems the same (and as an aside, it really was not that bad, and certainly the year was not lost). at that time, i think the division between contract faculty and grad students was greater, but that&#039;s really just my impression (it seemed like a very big internal issue then; it seems less so now, perhaps as a result of that strike). 

the differences are: the participation of members on the line (my recollection was that the lines were overall pretty strong throughout the 2000-01 strike); university is much more public now although the current president is much less so than marsden (i think marsden or some VPs did come to &#039;town hall&#039; meetings organized in the underground during the strike), last time the university initially insisted that non-striking profs (YUFA or 3903 that opposed the strike) have to continue teaching to get paid, this time university cancelled all classes, and finally last time the Senate was very politicized (it seems that much of the policies around disruption were adopted from the decisions the Senate made during that strike).

Wow, that took me down memory lane:) to me the process or sequence of things looks very similar. on the other hand, i think i was more sure then that the forced rat vote would fail than i am now, simply because members were so much more visibly invested in the strike (pickets etc). but perhaps that had to do with the fact that they had to have strong lines because some teaching WAS still going on - pickets were not only symbolic or representative of the strike as they are now, but really were meant to disrupt work that was still going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Here,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the costing of tuition indexation, sorry, but I&#8217;m sure you can probably dig it up on either 3903 or York&#8217;s archives. </p>
<p>@Yorkie,</p>
<p>well, I&#8217;d say yes and no, but remember i am now watching it as an outsider while then i was deeply impacted by it, just like most of the posters here are. so my comparison is a bit flawed in that way.</p>
<p>it looks the same to me, or much the same, in terms of the process of bargaining between the two sides. in 2000-01, if i recall correctly , a very long period went on without any talks at all. there was a lot of despair because it did seem like it&#8217;ll go on forever. then, bargaining started, went on for a short time, and york requested a forced rat vote. there was a lot of infighting in the union too, so that also seems the same (but also why i would be wary of thinking that infighting in itself means the union will lose support of members at crucial votes &#8211; strikes are stressful to those who are striking, so tempers flare, but often union members do end up backing the union when employers force a deal on them or when they think employer is not bargaining in good faith). the proposed remediation period seems the same (and as an aside, it really was not that bad, and certainly the year was not lost). at that time, i think the division between contract faculty and grad students was greater, but that&#8217;s really just my impression (it seemed like a very big internal issue then; it seems less so now, perhaps as a result of that strike). </p>
<p>the differences are: the participation of members on the line (my recollection was that the lines were overall pretty strong throughout the 2000-01 strike); university is much more public now although the current president is much less so than marsden (i think marsden or some VPs did come to &#8216;town hall&#8217; meetings organized in the underground during the strike), last time the university initially insisted that non-striking profs (YUFA or 3903 that opposed the strike) have to continue teaching to get paid, this time university cancelled all classes, and finally last time the Senate was very politicized (it seems that much of the policies around disruption were adopted from the decisions the Senate made during that strike).</p>
<p>Wow, that took me down memory lane:) to me the process or sequence of things looks very similar. on the other hand, i think i was more sure then that the forced rat vote would fail than i am now, simply because members were so much more visibly invested in the strike (pickets etc). but perhaps that had to do with the fact that they had to have strong lines because some teaching WAS still going on &#8211; pickets were not only symbolic or representative of the strike as they are now, but really were meant to disrupt work that was still going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Yorkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yorkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@fracas

Your insight is much appreciated. In your experience, do you think this is like a repeat of  the 2000/01 strike?</description>
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<p>Your insight is much appreciated. In your experience, do you think this is like a repeat of  the 2000/01 strike?</p>
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